Comments on: Vernor Vinge – What if the Singularity Does NOT happen?

By: zebramilker

zebramilker — Mon, 05 Sep 2011 21:14:00 +0000

weather true or false. very interesting line of reason.

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Sun, 24 Jul 2011 14:10:59 +0000

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By: DWCrmcm

DWCrmcm — Sun, 16 May 2010 01:12:35 +0000

The singularity is all but guaranteed.
Humans have three primary attributes.
Their organic molecular contents.
Their metabolic processes (think metabolisms rather than systems).
Their behavior, both plastic (the neuromuscular metabolism) and abstract(the mind – an abstract metabolism).
The rise of complexity Organic growth and change over the course of genetic life on this planet has done most of the work for us.
All we need do now is separate the organics from the abstraction. Then implement that abstraction within an inorganic metabolism.

Not a job for science I’m afraid. Rather it is a job for “complexitors”, those not yet existent practitioners of implemented inorganic complexity .

These implementations will give off novel patterns of persistence (life) that will act as beacons for another kind of persistence altogether not arriving from a location in 3D SpaceTime but rather from a construct so completely alien that only our experience with The Fourth Experience (AI) will enable us to cope. The visitors will come into our universe both through the Fourth Experiences and the constructs the visitors will have the fourth experiences engineer. So what happens is rather than a singularity as such, we will have instead a singularity that produces singularities.
“other-Dimensions” travel will become so common that we will give up all thoughts of 3D SpaceTime travel opting instead meet the more traditional extraterrestrials in a third “commons” meeting zone arbitrated by, well, profundities.

By: Till

Till — Tue, 14 Jul 2009 23:30:00 +0000

True words, really some true words bro. You made my day.

By: Ever Closer · Catagraph.us

Ever Closer · Catagraph.us — Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:15:03 +0000

[...] you’d like to sample some of Vinge’s ideas, I recommend that you listen to the speech he gave last year as part of The Long Now Foundation’s Seminars About Long-term Thinking. The speech centers on [...]

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Sat, 06 Dec 2008 07:41:16 +0000

[...] 5, 2008 by singularityguide Head over to the long now foundation for a very interesting summary of Vernor Vinge’s views on 3 non singularity [...]

By: murthy

murthy — Mon, 10 Nov 2008 05:42:04 +0000

The term social singularity refers to an event that could not be defined/forecast with available knowledgwe with society. society is full of anticipiated daily routines for human beings today. it is not same with early men. they lived with enormous no of survival singularities. today united states has to live with a economic melt down. this is a economic singularity. imposition of communism on afghan society in 1980 is a cultural singularity. in social space there are continious events, empty spaces and singularities. if this basic assumption is accepted, basic research in social sciences could be done with available mathematical and scientific models

By: Dean Loomis

Dean Loomis — Fri, 11 Jul 2008 06:29:51 +0000

Almost a year later, Long Now Seminar speaker Nassim Taleb pointed out that the future has always been profoundly unknowable, i.e. that social and economic systems are in a continuous state of near singularity. It’s only the fallacious familiarity of hindsight that leads to the belief that future singularities will be oxymoronically more unique than past singularities. Science fiction writer William Gibson has observed that the arrival of the future does not change much of the state of the lived environment, a fact that Zen Buddhist masters have been teaching for centuries.

By: CO4E

CO4E — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 08:08:09 +0000

We are running out of TAP, Technologically Augmented Perception.
E=MC2 makes no claim about matter.
We must try and grasp mathematical equations as events rather then relationships.
As Events, irrational numbers are useless.

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Long Views » Blog Archive » The shrinking literary future — Tue, 02 Oct 2007 19:02:49 +0000

[...] the near present (or even past in Stephenson’s case). But since meeting Vernor Vinge at one of our lectures, I have been reading his amazing work and noticing the same trend. I started with his most recent [...]

By: Richard Rockefeller (via Stewart Brand

Richard Rockefeller (via Stewart Brand — Fri, 02 Mar 2007 04:11:50 +0000

This is appetite whetting, Stewart – thanks. One minor point: planes won’t run into each other as a result of large automation projects failing catastrophically, because TCAS (terminal collision avoidance systems) are becoming ubiquitous as well as simpler and more reliable. If we could clear the bureaucracy, we shouldn’t need any sort of large computers to maintain separation – we’ll do it much as we avoid running into other pedestrians in the street – see and avoid, that is, only better. Even the TCAS on my little plane allows me to see all traffic within a 12 mile radius. The fancier systems not only see, but plot the trajectories of all planes within a 25 mile radius and suggest routes around any potentially conflicting traffic. There’s actually little need for centralized air traffic control anymore, and certainly won’t within 10 years or so.