Comments on: Jon Ippolito and Joline Blais, “At the Edge of Art” http://blog.longnow.org/2007/12/17/jon-ippolito-and-joline-blais-at-the-edge-of-art/ The Official Weblog of The Long Now Foundation and Friends Mon, 08 Sep 2008 11:28:45 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.3 By: links for 2008-03-07 | The BFD on Brewed Fresh Daily http://blog.longnow.org/2007/12/17/jon-ippolito-and-joline-blais-at-the-edge-of-art/#comment-3661 links for 2008-03-07 | The BFD on Brewed Fresh Daily Fri, 07 Mar 2008 08:27:10 +0000 http://blog.longnow.org/2007/12/17/jon-ippolito-and-joline-blais-at-the-edge-of-art/#comment-3661 [...] Jon Ippolito and Joline Blais, “At the Edge of Art” “Art, like the antibodies in our immune system, creates alien forces in service of the whole. It anticipates threats and models them. It is a diversity agent.” (tags: Art Culture) [...] […] Jon Ippolito and Joline Blais, “At the Edge of Art” “Art, like the antibodies in our immune system, creates alien forces in service of the whole. It anticipates threats and models them. It is a diversity agent.” (tags: Art Culture) […]

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]]> By: Tony Saunders http://blog.longnow.org/2007/12/17/jon-ippolito-and-joline-blais-at-the-edge-of-art/#comment-3387 Tony Saunders Sat, 02 Feb 2008 14:12:14 +0000 http://blog.longnow.org/2007/12/17/jon-ippolito-and-joline-blais-at-the-edge-of-art/#comment-3387 Andrea is right: this talk is a lively presentation of gobbledegook. I enjoyed the stuff about antibodies, and art as agent of cultural change, BUT...without an explicit definition of art, this amounts to a worshipful history of recent culture jamming and not much else. It's clear they have little use for the world of feeling and craft that many of our best people have spent lifetimes devoted to, inanely dismissing it as sterile propaganda for the powerful. This is the kind of anti-art nonsense that flourishes on campuses today. I love the yes-men also, but an art scene of internet scams and DNA twiddlings only would be a bloody, sterile fucking bore. Andrea is right: this talk is a lively presentation of gobbledegook. I enjoyed the stuff about antibodies, and art as agent of cultural change, BUT…without an explicit definition of art, this amounts to a worshipful history of recent culture jamming and not much else. It’s clear they have little use for the world of feeling and craft that many of our best people have spent lifetimes devoted to, inanely dismissing it as sterile propaganda for the powerful. This is the kind of anti-art nonsense that flourishes on campuses today. I love the yes-men also, but an art scene of internet scams and DNA twiddlings only would be a bloody, sterile fucking bore.

]]> By: Tom http://blog.longnow.org/2007/12/17/jon-ippolito-and-joline-blais-at-the-edge-of-art/#comment-3333 Tom Sat, 26 Jan 2008 22:39:40 +0000 http://blog.longnow.org/2007/12/17/jon-ippolito-and-joline-blais-at-the-edge-of-art/#comment-3333 Great talk, very eye opening. I personally love the opening of art and looking into the deeper side of art. How refreshing to see the long term role of artists as the anti bodies (be they helpful or destructive) of society. My trust in long now foundation for new ideas has been regained. Great talk, very eye opening. I personally love the opening of art and looking into the deeper side of art. How refreshing to see the long term role of artists as the anti bodies (be they helpful or destructive) of society. My trust in long now foundation for new ideas has been regained.

]]> By: Andrea http://blog.longnow.org/2007/12/17/jon-ippolito-and-joline-blais-at-the-edge-of-art/#comment-3288 Andrea Wed, 16 Jan 2008 20:53:32 +0000 http://blog.longnow.org/2007/12/17/jon-ippolito-and-joline-blais-at-the-edge-of-art/#comment-3288 I felt very uncomfortable with some of their categorizations. They said over and over again that art of the past century was only concerned with talking about itself and ridiculed the "white cube" of the gallery. To say that gallery art only talks about itself really hurts the feelings of artists who are making art to communicate every possible feeling/thought. The miraculous thing about art is that it can be about EVERYTHING-- every possible topic and form.... by the way, what does the past 40 years of art mean to these speakers? Do they seriously think that identity politics, environmentalism, feminism, etc didn't make it into the gallery? Barbara Kruger, Mike Kelley, John Kelsey, Maurizio Cattelan, Bernd & Hilla Becher, LTTR, BRIAN ENO, Mark Manders, Claire Pentecost, Rodney Graham, etc etc etc etc etc are making brilliant work about so much more than the white cube!! Going to galleries, especially in gallery districts like NYC's Chelsea, is still the most wonderful free entertainment to a poor artist like myself. Maybe going to gallery doesn't have art about "what I want to know," which is what Joline Blais said she wanted from art. Do you know what you want to know? Art inspires because it breaks cliches of every sort, leading us to question what we know/feel. Or is that only just stupid, stupid representation? They seemed to think that internet art is step above gallery art because it executes something, instead of just representing it. Is inspiring a new thought/feeling/understanding in a viewer not an execution? I have to go to bed. I felt very uncomfortable with some of their categorizations. They said over and over again that art of the past century was only concerned with talking about itself and ridiculed the “white cube” of the gallery.

To say that gallery art only talks about itself really hurts the feelings of artists who are making art to communicate every possible feeling/thought. The miraculous thing about art is that it can be about EVERYTHING– every possible topic and form…. by the way, what does the past 40 years of art mean to these speakers? Do they seriously think that identity politics, environmentalism, feminism, etc didn’t make it into the gallery? Barbara Kruger, Mike Kelley, John Kelsey, Maurizio Cattelan, Bernd & Hilla Becher, LTTR, BRIAN ENO, Mark Manders, Claire Pentecost, Rodney Graham, etc etc etc etc etc are making brilliant work about so much more than the white cube!!

Going to galleries, especially in gallery districts like NYC’s Chelsea, is still the most wonderful free entertainment to a poor artist like myself. Maybe going to gallery doesn’t have art about “what I want to know,” which is what Joline Blais said she wanted from art. Do you know what you want to know? Art inspires because it breaks cliches of every sort, leading us to question what we know/feel. Or is that only just stupid, stupid representation? They seemed to think that internet art is step above gallery art because it executes something, instead of just representing it. Is inspiring a new thought/feeling/understanding in a viewer not an execution? I have to go to bed.

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