Comments on: Decision: Blogs vs. New York Times http://blog.longnow.org/2008/02/01/decision-blogs-vs-new-york-times/ The Official Weblog of The Long Now Foundation and Friends Thu, 09 Sep 2010 02:58:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: TopGear http://blog.longnow.org/2008/02/01/decision-blogs-vs-new-york-times/comment-page-1/#comment-8879 TopGear Mon, 07 Dec 2009 02:11:12 +0000 http://blog.longnow.org/2008/02/01/decision-blogs-vs-new-york-times/#comment-8879 I didn't get this :\ can somebody pls explain? I didn’t get this :\ can somebody pls explain?

]]> By: News Wikis, Ann Arbor style http://blog.longnow.org/2008/02/01/decision-blogs-vs-new-york-times/comment-page-1/#comment-8686 News Wikis, Ann Arbor style Mon, 23 Nov 2009 01:43:18 +0000 http://blog.longnow.org/2008/02/01/decision-blogs-vs-new-york-times/#comment-8686 [...] the following: Five years ago, blogger Dave Winer and New York Times executive Martin Nisenholtz made a bet. “In a Google search of five keywords or phrases representing the top five news stories of [...] [...] the following: Five years ago, blogger Dave Winer and New York Times executive Martin Nisenholtz made a bet. “In a Google search of five keywords or phrases representing the top five news stories of [...]

]]> By: Blog | Arbor Web Solutions » News Wikis, Ann Arbor style http://blog.longnow.org/2008/02/01/decision-blogs-vs-new-york-times/comment-page-1/#comment-7948 Blog | Arbor Web Solutions » News Wikis, Ann Arbor style Fri, 04 Sep 2009 00:50:19 +0000 http://blog.longnow.org/2008/02/01/decision-blogs-vs-new-york-times/#comment-7948 [...] the following: Five years ago, blogger Dave Winer and New York Times executive Martin Nisenholtz made a bet. “In a Google search of five keywords or phrases representing the top five news stories of [...] [...] the following: Five years ago, blogger Dave Winer and New York Times executive Martin Nisenholtz made a bet. “In a Google search of five keywords or phrases representing the top five news stories of [...]

]]> By: O Bloody Hell http://blog.longnow.org/2008/02/01/decision-blogs-vs-new-york-times/comment-page-1/#comment-6960 O Bloody Hell Mon, 11 May 2009 00:55:37 +0000 http://blog.longnow.org/2008/02/01/decision-blogs-vs-new-york-times/#comment-6960 Another option for deciding what the top stories for the time frame in question would be is the algorithm used by the excellent Newsmap to rank its top stories of the moment -- I would assume this algorithm could be applied over time, too, or varied to do so. Newsmap: http://newsmap.jp/# Another option for deciding what the top stories for the time frame in question would be is the algorithm used by the excellent Newsmap to rank its top stories of the moment — I would assume this algorithm could be applied over time, too, or varied to do so.

Newsmap: http://newsmap.jp/#

]]> By: Medical Site http://blog.longnow.org/2008/02/01/decision-blogs-vs-new-york-times/comment-page-1/#comment-6541 Medical Site Mon, 16 Mar 2009 21:40:15 +0000 http://blog.longnow.org/2008/02/01/decision-blogs-vs-new-york-times/#comment-6541 Can anyone atest to the service? Can anyone atest to the service?

]]> By: Brian Goldman http://blog.longnow.org/2008/02/01/decision-blogs-vs-new-york-times/comment-page-1/#comment-6390 Brian Goldman Tue, 24 Feb 2009 18:38:12 +0000 http://blog.longnow.org/2008/02/01/decision-blogs-vs-new-york-times/#comment-6390 This article surprised me that people would really bet that much money on such a dumb little bet. Whatever they want to d though, i guess. I wasn't shocked when i saw that the search of gas prices can up with the most combined articles. This is one of the biggest issues facing America over the past few years. Of course, the Iraq war and the Virginia Tech killings would have large search results also. I was unaware of Chinese exports being a huge issue today, but i guess i was wrong, although it was not one of the top searches. This article surprised me that people would really bet that much money on such a dumb little bet. Whatever they want to d though, i guess. I wasn’t shocked when i saw that the search of gas prices can up with the most combined articles. This is one of the biggest issues facing America over the past few years. Of course, the Iraq war and the Virginia Tech killings would have large search results also. I was unaware of Chinese exports being a huge issue today, but i guess i was wrong, although it was not one of the top searches.

]]> By: blogs, longbets.org, and education of sociology | keyongtech http://blog.longnow.org/2008/02/01/decision-blogs-vs-new-york-times/comment-page-1/#comment-6196 blogs, longbets.org, and education of sociology | keyongtech Sun, 18 Jan 2009 16:53:43 +0000 http://blog.longnow.org/2008/02/01/decision-blogs-vs-new-york-times/#comment-6196 [...] the bet is resolved. See “Decision: Blogs vs. New York Times” (2008-02-01) by Alexander Rose http://blog.longnow.org/2008/02/01/d...ew-york-times/ I'd like encourage, for many of you, who have lots of opinions on technical issues or social [...] [...] the bet is resolved. See “Decision: Blogs vs. New York Times” (2008-02-01) by Alexander Rose http://blog.longnow.org/2008/02/01/d…ew-york-times/ I’d like encourage, for many of you, who have lots of opinions on technical issues or social [...]

]]> By: Alexander Rose http://blog.longnow.org/2008/02/01/decision-blogs-vs-new-york-times/comment-page-1/#comment-6090 Alexander Rose Fri, 02 Jan 2009 19:45:00 +0000 http://blog.longnow.org/2008/02/01/decision-blogs-vs-new-york-times/#comment-6090 I just tried to run this test on 02008 with the same criteria. It is basically not possible now that Google groups News and Blog posts up into categories in web searches. It does Top Stories of 02008 as voted by AP members: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081222/ap_on_re_us/ye_top10_stories But if you look at the News Vs Blog groupings this is what you get, with a clear winner in the News category: _1. U.S. ELECTION: News: 1, Blogs 11 winner News _2. ECONOMIC MELTDOWN: News 0, Blogs 0 tie _3. OIL PRICES: News 1, Blogs 11 winner News _4. IRAQ: Blogs 11, News 0 winner Blogs _5. BEIJING OLYMPICS: News 4, Blogs 0 winner News _6. CHINESE EARTHQUAKE: News 5, Blogs 0 winner News _7. SARAH PALIN: Blogs 10, News 0 winner Blogs _8. MUMBAI TERRORISM: News: 1, Blogs 13 winner News _9. HILLARY CLINTON: News: 0, Blogs 10 winner Blogs _10. RUSSIA-GEORGIA WAR: News 0, Blogs 0 tie I just tried to run this test on 02008 with the same criteria. It is basically not possible now that Google groups News and Blog posts up into categories in web searches. It does

Top Stories of 02008 as voted by AP members:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081222/ap_on_re_us/ye_top10_stories

But if you look at the News Vs Blog groupings this is what you get, with a clear winner in the News category:
_1. U.S. ELECTION: News: 1, Blogs 11
winner News

_2. ECONOMIC MELTDOWN: News 0, Blogs 0
tie

_3. OIL PRICES: News 1, Blogs 11
winner News

_4. IRAQ: Blogs 11, News 0
winner Blogs

_5. BEIJING OLYMPICS: News 4, Blogs 0
winner News

_6. CHINESE EARTHQUAKE: News 5, Blogs 0
winner News

_7. SARAH PALIN: Blogs 10, News 0
winner Blogs

_8. MUMBAI TERRORISM: News: 1, Blogs 13
winner News

_9. HILLARY CLINTON: News: 0, Blogs 10
winner Blogs

_10. RUSSIA-GEORGIA WAR: News 0, Blogs 0
tie

]]> By: My research proposal http://blog.longnow.org/2008/02/01/decision-blogs-vs-new-york-times/comment-page-1/#comment-5450 My research proposal Wed, 10 Sep 2008 19:21:41 +0000 http://blog.longnow.org/2008/02/01/decision-blogs-vs-new-york-times/#comment-5450 [...] years ago, blogger Dave Winer and New York Times executive Martin Nisenholtz made a bet. “In a Google search of five keywords or phrases representing the top five news stories of [...] [...] years ago, blogger Dave Winer and New York Times executive Martin Nisenholtz made a bet. “In a Google search of five keywords or phrases representing the top five news stories of [...]

]]> By: Calling blogs “blogs” doesn’t demean the NY Times | Out of the Box http://blog.longnow.org/2008/02/01/decision-blogs-vs-new-york-times/comment-page-1/#comment-3714 Calling blogs “blogs” doesn’t demean the NY Times | Out of the Box Mon, 17 Mar 2008 14:26:48 +0000 http://blog.longnow.org/2008/02/01/decision-blogs-vs-new-york-times/#comment-3714 [...] what the Times may be doing online or, for that matter, what CNN does on television. Indeed, the Times could be doing a lot worse than blogs in attracting some sources of [...] [...] what the Times may be doing online or, for that matter, what CNN does on television. Indeed, the Times could be doing a lot worse than blogs in attracting some sources of [...]

]]> By: Blogs vs. New York Times « Notas ao café… http://blog.longnow.org/2008/02/01/decision-blogs-vs-new-york-times/comment-page-1/#comment-3500 Blogs vs. New York Times « Notas ao café… Mon, 18 Feb 2008 02:51:30 +0000 http://blog.longnow.org/2008/02/01/decision-blogs-vs-new-york-times/#comment-3500 [...] decisão chegou e Winer ganhou a aposta. Que numa pesquisa no Google, ou em qualquer outro motor de busca, [...] [...] decisão chegou e Winer ganhou a aposta. Que numa pesquisa no Google, ou em qualquer outro motor de busca, [...]

]]> By: links for 2008-02-05 : James Mitchell http://blog.longnow.org/2008/02/01/decision-blogs-vs-new-york-times/comment-page-1/#comment-3431 links for 2008-02-05 : James Mitchell Tue, 05 Feb 2008 20:20:13 +0000 http://blog.longnow.org/2008/02/01/decision-blogs-vs-new-york-times/#comment-3431 [...] Decision: Blogs vs New York Times Five years ago, daddy-blogger Dave Winer bet NYT president Martin Nisenholtz that by 2007, blogs would be more relevant sources than the Times in Google search results for the year’s top news stories. (tags: blogging journalism newspapers new+york+times) [...] [...] Decision: Blogs vs New York Times Five years ago, daddy-blogger Dave Winer bet NYT president Martin Nisenholtz that by 2007, blogs would be more relevant sources than the Times in Google search results for the year’s top news stories. (tags: blogging journalism newspapers new+york+times) [...]

]]> By: Eric http://blog.longnow.org/2008/02/01/decision-blogs-vs-new-york-times/comment-page-1/#comment-3430 Eric Tue, 05 Feb 2008 19:06:31 +0000 http://blog.longnow.org/2008/02/01/decision-blogs-vs-new-york-times/#comment-3430 I'm actually intrigued by how the original bet was "overtaken by events". If the bet were more specific, it would have been easier to adjudicate. But at the same time, a more specific bet might have hidden many of the interesting issues: - The arrival of a "third competitor", Wikipedia, which was never included in the original bet. - The continued robustness of professional, commercial content in search results. - The variation between different search engines. Almost every single aspect of the original bet has been subtly affected by events. And this, in itself, is one of the most important lessons we can take away from the Long Bet project. I’m actually intrigued by how the original bet was “overtaken by events”. If the bet were more specific, it would have been easier to adjudicate. But at the same time, a more specific bet might have hidden many of the interesting issues:

– The arrival of a “third competitor”, Wikipedia, which was never included in the original bet.
– The continued robustness of professional, commercial content in search results.
– The variation between different search engines.

Almost every single aspect of the original bet has been subtly affected by events. And this, in itself, is one of the most important lessons we can take away from the Long Bet project.

]]> By: In a Google search of five keywords or phrases representing the top five news stories of 2007, weblogs will rank higher than the New York Times’ Web site. | Midas Oracle .ORG http://blog.longnow.org/2008/02/01/decision-blogs-vs-new-york-times/comment-page-1/#comment-3428 In a Google search of five keywords or phrases representing the top five news stories of 2007, weblogs will rank higher than the New York Times’ Web site. | Midas Oracle .ORG Tue, 05 Feb 2008 18:18:57 +0000 http://blog.longnow.org/2008/02/01/decision-blogs-vs-new-york-times/#comment-3428 [...] blogs won the bet. In a Google search of five keywords or phrases representing the top five news stories of [...] [...] blogs won the bet. In a Google search of five keywords or phrases representing the top five news stories of [...]

]]> By: Official: blogs top newspapers in Google | News in brief http://blog.longnow.org/2008/02/01/decision-blogs-vs-new-york-times/comment-page-1/#comment-3424 Official: blogs top newspapers in Google | News in brief Tue, 05 Feb 2008 14:33:43 +0000 http://blog.longnow.org/2008/02/01/decision-blogs-vs-new-york-times/#comment-3424 [...] week, The Long Now Foundation adjudicated on the result of the bet. In a Google search for AP’s top stories of 2007, blogs beat the New York Times by [...] [...] week, The Long Now Foundation adjudicated on the result of the bet. In a Google search for AP’s top stories of 2007, blogs beat the New York Times by [...]

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