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	<title>Comments on: Memorial to the ephemeral</title>
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		<title>By: Scott Constable</title>
		<link>http://blog.longnow.org/2008/09/18/memorial-to-the-ephemeral/comment-page-1/#comment-5546</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Constable</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 02:44:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This reminds me of the Tibetan Buddhist conception of prayer flags being more permanent than the mountains behind them. The prayers last forever but the mountains dissolve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This reminds me of the Tibetan Buddhist conception of prayer flags being more permanent than the mountains behind them. The prayers last forever but the mountains dissolve.</p>
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		<title>By: Sally</title>
		<link>http://blog.longnow.org/2008/09/18/memorial-to-the-ephemeral/comment-page-1/#comment-5532</link>
		<dc:creator>Sally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 15:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Off-topic: I assume someone is going to post an entry about this: http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/2008/09/19/6818321-ap.html

John Taylor has invented a &quot;time eater&quot; clock that depicts the erratic and limited nature of one&#039;s personal experience of time. I&#039;d love to get a Long Now perspective on the mechanics, philosophy, and aesthetics of the piece! Stephen Hawking introduced the clock, but the article doesn&#039;t say anything about his remarks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Off-topic: I assume someone is going to post an entry about this: <a href="http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/2008/09/19/6818321-ap.html" rel="nofollow">http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/2008/09/19/6818321-ap.html</a></p>
<p>John Taylor has invented a &#8220;time eater&#8221; clock that depicts the erratic and limited nature of one&#8217;s personal experience of time. I&#8217;d love to get a Long Now perspective on the mechanics, philosophy, and aesthetics of the piece! Stephen Hawking introduced the clock, but the article doesn&#8217;t say anything about his remarks.</p>
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		<title>By: False Data</title>
		<link>http://blog.longnow.org/2008/09/18/memorial-to-the-ephemeral/comment-page-1/#comment-5525</link>
		<dc:creator>False Data</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 23:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It raises a deep question: what is our purpose in preserving and archiving the present?  If we assume the future will form its own view of us, then in the process of selecting what we preserve, are we trying to assert some sort of control over that view?  If so, with what motivation?  Are we trying to give the future the best possible chance at an unbiased view of the present, so people then can learn from our mistakes?  Are we dressing up in our Sunday finest and trying to look pretty for a historical snapshot?  Or are we simply trying to achieve immortality by leaving a mark, a stone Kilroy was Here to sit alongside the great monuments of the ancient world?  

Stewart Brand&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.longnow.org/about/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;essay&lt;/a&gt; emphasizes the purpose of focusing our own minds on long term thinking.  Instinctively, that feels like an admirable goal.  On the other hand, given the increasing rate of change in  society, it could be that our instincts are misplaced: investing in the future involves real costs in the present, and the more volatile that future becomes, the less certain we can be that our decedents will be able to reap the benefits of our sacrifice.  As that volatility increases, eventually we reach the point where the best we can do is stay nimble and select whichever course of action burns the fewest bridges.  However, I think he&#039;s right that an increased emphasis on long term thinking is necessary, because the consequences of a mistake today are much greater than they were in the past, so for a given amount of uncertainty about the future, the proper amount of energy we should put into thinking through our decisions has also increased.

But everything involves tradeoffs.  If our motivation is increasing long term thinking, that might not be compatible with preserving an unvarnished view of the present.  You could give a pretty good view of daily life in September 2008 by archiving the Twitter stream, for instance, and leaving it to some future digital archeologist&#039;s grad students to sift through the layers of tweets just like today&#039;s archeologists sift the earth.  But blindly archiving the whole Twitter stream might not increase long term thinking because it doesn&#039;t involve the selection process; just like in moving, nothing gets you thinking about the past, present and future like deciding what to keep and what goes to Goodwill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It raises a deep question: what is our purpose in preserving and archiving the present?  If we assume the future will form its own view of us, then in the process of selecting what we preserve, are we trying to assert some sort of control over that view?  If so, with what motivation?  Are we trying to give the future the best possible chance at an unbiased view of the present, so people then can learn from our mistakes?  Are we dressing up in our Sunday finest and trying to look pretty for a historical snapshot?  Or are we simply trying to achieve immortality by leaving a mark, a stone Kilroy was Here to sit alongside the great monuments of the ancient world?  </p>
<p>Stewart Brand&#8217;s <a href="http://www.longnow.org/about/" rel="nofollow">essay</a> emphasizes the purpose of focusing our own minds on long term thinking.  Instinctively, that feels like an admirable goal.  On the other hand, given the increasing rate of change in  society, it could be that our instincts are misplaced: investing in the future involves real costs in the present, and the more volatile that future becomes, the less certain we can be that our decedents will be able to reap the benefits of our sacrifice.  As that volatility increases, eventually we reach the point where the best we can do is stay nimble and select whichever course of action burns the fewest bridges.  However, I think he&#8217;s right that an increased emphasis on long term thinking is necessary, because the consequences of a mistake today are much greater than they were in the past, so for a given amount of uncertainty about the future, the proper amount of energy we should put into thinking through our decisions has also increased.</p>
<p>But everything involves tradeoffs.  If our motivation is increasing long term thinking, that might not be compatible with preserving an unvarnished view of the present.  You could give a pretty good view of daily life in September 2008 by archiving the Twitter stream, for instance, and leaving it to some future digital archeologist&#8217;s grad students to sift through the layers of tweets just like today&#8217;s archeologists sift the earth.  But blindly archiving the whole Twitter stream might not increase long term thinking because it doesn&#8217;t involve the selection process; just like in moving, nothing gets you thinking about the past, present and future like deciding what to keep and what goes to Goodwill.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Warren</title>
		<link>http://blog.longnow.org/2008/09/18/memorial-to-the-ephemeral/comment-page-1/#comment-5515</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Warren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 16:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This makes me consider the preservation of a culture&#039;s &quot;mood&quot; as important as the creation of stoic, marble statues. Our culture has &quot;slices of life&quot; that are manifestations of the changing generations that grow up within it - which become largely forgotten outside the writings of the time. More importantly, what fascinates me about 640 480 is that it&#039;s brought this into the real, concrete world. Very cool stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This makes me consider the preservation of a culture&#8217;s &#8220;mood&#8221; as important as the creation of stoic, marble statues. Our culture has &#8220;slices of life&#8221; that are manifestations of the changing generations that grow up within it &#8211; which become largely forgotten outside the writings of the time. More importantly, what fascinates me about 640 480 is that it&#8217;s brought this into the real, concrete world. Very cool stuff.</p>
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