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	<title>Comments on: Saul Griffith, &#8220;Climate Change Recalculated&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Kill-A-Watt, WolframAlpha, and the itemized electric bill &#171; Jon Udell</title>
		<link>http://blog.longnow.org/2009/01/19/saul-griffith-climate-change-recalculated/comment-page-1/#comment-8795</link>
		<dc:creator>Kill-A-Watt, WolframAlpha, and the itemized electric bill &#171; Jon Udell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Saul Griffith has internalized these calculations, but most of us need help. A next-gen Kill-A-Watt that did these sorts of conversions and comparisons could be a real behavior changer.    &#160; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Saul Griffith has internalized these calculations, but most of us need help. A next-gen Kill-A-Watt that did these sorts of conversions and comparisons could be a real behavior changer.    &nbsp; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Saul Griffith, “Climate Change Recalculated” &#8211; The Long Now Blog &#171; This is the Root of the Matter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Saul Griffith, “Climate Change Recalculated” &#8211; The Long Now Blog &#171; This is the Root of the Matter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 12:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Saul Griffith, “Climate Change Recalculated” &#8211; The Long Now Blog   November 5, 2009   &#160;&#124;&#160;by     1 Comment           “Two terawatts of photovoltaic would require installing 100 square meters of 15-percent-efficient solar cells every second, second after second, for the next 25 years. (That’s about 1,200 square miles of solar cells a year, times 25 equals 30,000 square miles of photovoltaic cells.) Two terawatts of solar thermal? If it’s 30 percent efficient all told, we’ll need 50 square meters of highly reflective mirrors every second. (Some 600 square miles a year, times 25.) Half a terawatt of biofuels? Something like one Olympic swimming pools of genetically engineered algae, installed every second. (About 15,250 square miles a year, times 25.) Two terawatts of wind? That’s a 300-foot-diameter wind turbine every 5 minutes. (Install 105,000 turbines a year in good wind locations, times 25.) Two terawatts of geothermal? Build 3 100-megawatt steam turbines every day-1,095 a year, times 25. Three terawatts of new nuclear? That’s a 3-reactor, 3-gigawatt plant every week-52 a year, times 25.” via blog.longnow.org [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Saul Griffith, “Climate Change Recalculated” &#8211; The Long Now Blog   November 5, 2009   &nbsp;|&nbsp;by     1 Comment           “Two terawatts of photovoltaic would require installing 100 square meters of 15-percent-efficient solar cells every second, second after second, for the next 25 years. (That’s about 1,200 square miles of solar cells a year, times 25 equals 30,000 square miles of photovoltaic cells.) Two terawatts of solar thermal? If it’s 30 percent efficient all told, we’ll need 50 square meters of highly reflective mirrors every second. (Some 600 square miles a year, times 25.) Half a terawatt of biofuels? Something like one Olympic swimming pools of genetically engineered algae, installed every second. (About 15,250 square miles a year, times 25.) Two terawatts of wind? That’s a 300-foot-diameter wind turbine every 5 minutes. (Install 105,000 turbines a year in good wind locations, times 25.) Two terawatts of geothermal? Build 3 100-megawatt steam turbines every day-1,095 a year, times 25. Three terawatts of new nuclear? That’s a 3-reactor, 3-gigawatt plant every week-52 a year, times 25.” via blog.longnow.org [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Saul Griffith, &#8220;Climate Change Recalculated&#8221; (MP3 audio), Longnow Foundation, 2009/01/16 &#171; Media Download Queue &#8211;&#62; Coevolving Innovations</title>
		<link>http://blog.longnow.org/2009/01/19/saul-griffith-climate-change-recalculated/comment-page-1/#comment-8405</link>
		<dc:creator>Saul Griffith, &#8220;Climate Change Recalculated&#8221; (MP3 audio), Longnow Foundation, 2009/01/16 &#171; Media Download Queue &#8211;&#62; Coevolving Innovations</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 01:36:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: &#8220;Green&#8221; Rosies — Green21: a Multiplatform Media Initiative</title>
		<link>http://blog.longnow.org/2009/01/19/saul-griffith-climate-change-recalculated/comment-page-1/#comment-8059</link>
		<dc:creator>&#8220;Green&#8221; Rosies — Green21: a Multiplatform Media Initiative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 21:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of Squid Labs and MacArthur genius grant winner, Saul Griffith was the keynote speaker. Saul explained that he takes an engineer&#8217;s approach to climate [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Last Year’s Model &#124; Life, the Universe and Everything &#124; Alphaverse.com</title>
		<link>http://blog.longnow.org/2009/01/19/saul-griffith-climate-change-recalculated/comment-page-1/#comment-8029</link>
		<dc:creator>Last Year’s Model &#124; Life, the Universe and Everything &#124; Alphaverse.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 00:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] his Seminar for the Long Now Foundation in January, Saul Griffith mentioned what he called the Rolex/Montblanc Pen approach to solving climate change.  As a way of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Stray &#187; Ever-Smaller Apartments</title>
		<link>http://blog.longnow.org/2009/01/19/saul-griffith-climate-change-recalculated/comment-page-1/#comment-7921</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Stray &#187; Ever-Smaller Apartments</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 02:53:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] To meet the current world population&#8217;s current energy requirements, we would need to collect the incident sunlight over an area about the size of Australia. That&#8217;s a stupendous amount of solar power to build. It will be a very long time before it is [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Andrew McRae</title>
		<link>http://blog.longnow.org/2009/01/19/saul-griffith-climate-change-recalculated/comment-page-1/#comment-7913</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew McRae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 04:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-6809&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@May&lt;/a&gt;: Well done for speaking the truth in a comment section full of warmer parrots.

It is indeed quite bizarre that a lecture supposedly advocating long-term thinking would completely fail to examine the long-term history of Earth&#039;s climate. As anyone who does not live under a rock would know by now, the Earth&#039;s climate is always changing, so at any time it is always a case of either global warming (in the literal sense) or global cooling. Superior ice core sample analysis techniques developed since 1997 revealed several facts which the &quot;CO2 paranoid&quot; would do well to sequester:
* The Earth has been warmer in the distant past than today, 
* The Earth has had CO2 levels over 10 times higher in the past than today,
* The rate of CO2 increase has been higher in the distant past than today,
* The rate of temperature increase has been higher in the distant past than today,
and all without any assistance from human activity.

That is the truth as best as anyone can measure it, just as global warming seemed the truth as best as anyone could measure it during the early nineties. The &quot;best&quot; got better and so the facts changed. Of course the fundamentalists have not moved on from there, seemingly stuck in past and choosing to believe in a scary and guilty future instead of adapting to the more precise results of later research.

With these facts in mind, and remembering the only source of heat on Earth is the Sun, why would anyone assume that the greenhouse effect drives climate change or that recent increases in either temperature or CO2 were due to human activity?
A true long-term thinker (or those with a suitably long term view of climate such as geologists) would immediately see that the present is totally within the long-term natural range of climate. 

See:
Dr Roy Spencer - http://www.drroyspencer.com/

Top 15 Climate Myths - http://ilovecarbondioxide.com/2009/01/top-15-climate-myths.html

Dr Bob Carter - http://members.iinet.net.au/~glrmc/new_page_1.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-6809" rel="nofollow">@May</a>: Well done for speaking the truth in a comment section full of warmer parrots.</p>
<p>It is indeed quite bizarre that a lecture supposedly advocating long-term thinking would completely fail to examine the long-term history of Earth&#8217;s climate. As anyone who does not live under a rock would know by now, the Earth&#8217;s climate is always changing, so at any time it is always a case of either global warming (in the literal sense) or global cooling. Superior ice core sample analysis techniques developed since 1997 revealed several facts which the &#8220;CO2 paranoid&#8221; would do well to sequester:<br />
* The Earth has been warmer in the distant past than today,<br />
* The Earth has had CO2 levels over 10 times higher in the past than today,<br />
* The rate of CO2 increase has been higher in the distant past than today,<br />
* The rate of temperature increase has been higher in the distant past than today,<br />
and all without any assistance from human activity.</p>
<p>That is the truth as best as anyone can measure it, just as global warming seemed the truth as best as anyone could measure it during the early nineties. The &#8220;best&#8221; got better and so the facts changed. Of course the fundamentalists have not moved on from there, seemingly stuck in past and choosing to believe in a scary and guilty future instead of adapting to the more precise results of later research.</p>
<p>With these facts in mind, and remembering the only source of heat on Earth is the Sun, why would anyone assume that the greenhouse effect drives climate change or that recent increases in either temperature or CO2 were due to human activity?<br />
A true long-term thinker (or those with a suitably long term view of climate such as geologists) would immediately see that the present is totally within the long-term natural range of climate. </p>
<p>See:<br />
Dr Roy Spencer &#8211; <a href="http://www.drroyspencer.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.drroyspencer.com/</a></p>
<p>Top 15 Climate Myths &#8211; <a href="http://ilovecarbondioxide.com/2009/01/top-15-climate-myths.html" rel="nofollow">http://ilovecarbondioxide.com/2009/01/top-15-climate-myths.html</a></p>
<p>Dr Bob Carter &#8211; <a href="http://members.iinet.net.au/~glrmc/new_page_1.htm" rel="nofollow">http://members.iinet.net.au/~glrmc/new_page_1.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: The Long Now Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Last Year&#8217;s Model</title>
		<link>http://blog.longnow.org/2009/01/19/saul-griffith-climate-change-recalculated/comment-page-1/#comment-7896</link>
		<dc:creator>The Long Now Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Last Year&#8217;s Model</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 20:54:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] his Seminar for the Long Now Foundation in January, Saul Griffith mentioned what he called the Rolex/Montblanc Pen approach to solving climate change.  As a way of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ed Johnson</title>
		<link>http://blog.longnow.org/2009/01/19/saul-griffith-climate-change-recalculated/comment-page-1/#comment-7721</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 20:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that links to the video, podcast and slides should be included in summaries:

The Video:
http://fora.tv/media/rss/Long_Now_Podcasts/video/2009-01-16_griffith_mpg_16x9_LNP_itunes.mp4

The Slides from the Video:
http://www.slideshare.net/raffikrikorian/wattzon-presentation-at-long-now-presentation</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that links to the video, podcast and slides should be included in summaries:</p>
<p>The Video:<br />
<a href="http://fora.tv/media/rss/Long_Now_Podcasts/video/2009-01-16_griffith_mpg_16x9_LNP_itunes.mp4" rel="nofollow">http://fora.tv/media/rss/Long_Now_Podcasts/video/2009-01-16_griffith_mpg_16&#215;9_LNP_itunes.mp4</a></p>
<p>The Slides from the Video:<br />
<a href="http://www.slideshare.net/raffikrikorian/wattzon-presentation-at-long-now-presentation" rel="nofollow">http://www.slideshare.net/raffikrikorian/wattzon-presentation-at-long-now-presentation</a></p>
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		<title>By: Why I wish I lived in Seattle &#171; The Brass Tack</title>
		<link>http://blog.longnow.org/2009/01/19/saul-griffith-climate-change-recalculated/comment-page-1/#comment-7468</link>
		<dc:creator>Why I wish I lived in Seattle &#171; The Brass Tack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:10:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] such a bad idea. And changing ourselves into long-term thinkers might be our best bet at sustainability. This stuff is important, and bacon and pig roasts are a fun gimmick. But a part of me rejoices that [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] such a bad idea. And changing ourselves into long-term thinkers might be our best bet at sustainability. This stuff is important, and bacon and pig roasts are a fun gimmick. But a part of me rejoices that [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Green Business Camp Unconference &#171; Shades of Green</title>
		<link>http://blog.longnow.org/2009/01/19/saul-griffith-climate-change-recalculated/comment-page-1/#comment-6912</link>
		<dc:creator>Green Business Camp Unconference &#171; Shades of Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 19:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] did a fabulous job of setting the context for the green business camp. He summarized the work of Saul Griffith to underline the theme that to deal with climate change we need an incredible plan. I think a great [...]</description>
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		<title>By: May</title>
		<link>http://blog.longnow.org/2009/01/19/saul-griffith-climate-change-recalculated/comment-page-1/#comment-6809</link>
		<dc:creator>May</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 16:09:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More than 70 % of the world&#039;s population live this way.  
Thrifty, conservative with all resources.  Much more important is soil conservation, ( no-till cultivation) food security and protection of water catchement areas from pollution.
CO2 Paranoia is a hoax and a ruse by over eager politicians to tax the air we breathe. 
CO2 is essential to all carbon life forms on earth. 
We are very fortunate to be alive during a interglacial optimum which may be over sooner that you think.
It makes sense to conserve fossil fuels and promote sustainable energy sources as the human race will need them during the next ice age. A little extra CO2 in the atmosphere will add to the food chain as the global population expands.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More than 70 % of the world&#8217;s population live this way.<br />
Thrifty, conservative with all resources.  Much more important is soil conservation, ( no-till cultivation) food security and protection of water catchement areas from pollution.<br />
CO2 Paranoia is a hoax and a ruse by over eager politicians to tax the air we breathe.<br />
CO2 is essential to all carbon life forms on earth.<br />
We are very fortunate to be alive during a interglacial optimum which may be over sooner that you think.<br />
It makes sense to conserve fossil fuels and promote sustainable energy sources as the human race will need them during the next ice age. A little extra CO2 in the atmosphere will add to the food chain as the global population expands.</p>
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		<title>By: Climate Change: This is not a time for rearanging deck chairs &#8211; The Environmental Citizen</title>
		<link>http://blog.longnow.org/2009/01/19/saul-griffith-climate-change-recalculated/comment-page-1/#comment-6746</link>
		<dc:creator>Climate Change: This is not a time for rearanging deck chairs &#8211; The Environmental Citizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 04:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] was reading an post about a guy named Saul Griffith who has taken it upon himself to personally shrink his carbon footprint. It was a very inspiring [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Environmental Citizen</title>
		<link>http://blog.longnow.org/2009/01/19/saul-griffith-climate-change-recalculated/comment-page-1/#comment-6745</link>
		<dc:creator>The Environmental Citizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 04:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To IP Freely:  Never mind the politics at the end of your comment.  You are not offering any ideas.  Not that there are any easy answers.  We cannot address environmental issues without addressing the economy.  We must create jobs through addressing the environmental issues.   We have the perfect opportunity.  We did not need to go to the moon.  We declared that it was important to demonstrate our technical superiority to the USSR and then created a challenge that in the process of meeting it created a whole new economies and technologies.    We have a much graver threat than during the cold war.  Mother Nature has proven she remains just as adept as humans at destruction.   Yes of course people do need to eat, they will need to eat 100 years from now too.  

We need to everyone to put their intellectual/creative back into this.  INCLUDING YOU!  Stop making people you disagree with wrong and find ways to common goals.  If the house is on fire I don&#039;t care who you voted for, we are on the same side.  It is just a fact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To IP Freely:  Never mind the politics at the end of your comment.  You are not offering any ideas.  Not that there are any easy answers.  We cannot address environmental issues without addressing the economy.  We must create jobs through addressing the environmental issues.   We have the perfect opportunity.  We did not need to go to the moon.  We declared that it was important to demonstrate our technical superiority to the USSR and then created a challenge that in the process of meeting it created a whole new economies and technologies.    We have a much graver threat than during the cold war.  Mother Nature has proven she remains just as adept as humans at destruction.   Yes of course people do need to eat, they will need to eat 100 years from now too.  </p>
<p>We need to everyone to put their intellectual/creative back into this.  INCLUDING YOU!  Stop making people you disagree with wrong and find ways to common goals.  If the house is on fire I don&#8217;t care who you voted for, we are on the same side.  It is just a fact.</p>
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		<title>By: IP FREELY</title>
		<link>http://blog.longnow.org/2009/01/19/saul-griffith-climate-change-recalculated/comment-page-1/#comment-6736</link>
		<dc:creator>IP FREELY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 19:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How arrogant is this? We can&#039;t even cure the common cold, and you&#039;ve got a plan to  change the weather? Without collapsing the global economy? I got news for you, the weather has been changing since time began - well before GM brought out the Cadillac Escalade. How many people will die because you&#039;re pushing this agenda? Everybody who makes anything that could be consideered carbon-positive is out of a job. All those people in South America clearing farmland should just stop trying to feed themselves? Who will take care of them while you&#039;re playing mother nature. Moron.

Why don&#039;t you liberals show some intellectual honesty and just admit you want to control energy so you can control people? It&#039;s a power thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How arrogant is this? We can&#8217;t even cure the common cold, and you&#8217;ve got a plan to  change the weather? Without collapsing the global economy? I got news for you, the weather has been changing since time began &#8211; well before GM brought out the Cadillac Escalade. How many people will die because you&#8217;re pushing this agenda? Everybody who makes anything that could be consideered carbon-positive is out of a job. All those people in South America clearing farmland should just stop trying to feed themselves? Who will take care of them while you&#8217;re playing mother nature. Moron.</p>
<p>Why don&#8217;t you liberals show some intellectual honesty and just admit you want to control energy so you can control people? It&#8217;s a power thing.</p>
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