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	<title>Comments on: Daniel Everett, &#8220;Endangered Languages, Lost Knowledge and the Future&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Luke Scientiae</title>
		<link>http://blog.longnow.org/2009/03/23/daniel-everett-endangered-languages-lost-knowledge-and-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-22420</link>
		<dc:creator>Luke Scientiae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jul 2011 14:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really like the idea that Daniel Everett decribes about the Piraha, that they demand to know for each claim that is made where the information came from. So each sentence they say has to include an explanation as to how one knows what one is saying (&quot;blah blah, I saw&quot; or &quot;blah, blah, someone told me&quot;) I think we can learn from this to reduce people saying things we can&#039;t track back to the source. http://bit.ly/pOdE5C</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really like the idea that Daniel Everett decribes about the Piraha, that they demand to know for each claim that is made where the information came from. So each sentence they say has to include an explanation as to how one knows what one is saying (&#8220;blah blah, I saw&#8221; or &#8220;blah, blah, someone told me&#8221;) I think we can learn from this to reduce people saying things we can&#8217;t track back to the source. <a href="http://bit.ly/pOdE5C" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/pOdE5C</a></p>
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		<title>By: New fashion 2011</title>
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		<dc:creator>New fashion 2011</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Nov 2010 00:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Skill without imagination is craftsmanship and gives us many useful objects such as wickerwork picnic baskets. Imagination without skill gives us modern art.&lt;br&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: The Long Now Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Picturing the Pirahã</title>
		<link>http://blog.longnow.org/2009/03/23/daniel-everett-endangered-languages-lost-knowledge-and-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-7512</link>
		<dc:creator>The Long Now Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Picturing the Pirahã</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 23:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of Daniel Everett, who recounted his experience living with the Amazonian community at one of our seminars in March. Schoeller&#8217;s portraits appeared in the The New Yorker and later in [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of Daniel Everett, who recounted his experience living with the Amazonian community at one of our seminars in March. Schoeller&#8217;s portraits appeared in the The New Yorker and later in [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Endangered languages and linguistic best practices</title>
		<link>http://blog.longnow.org/2009/03/23/daniel-everett-endangered-languages-lost-knowledge-and-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-7282</link>
		<dc:creator>Endangered languages and linguistic best practices</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 15:55:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Everett&#8217;s recent Long Now talk about endangered languages (writeup, mp3) includes this gem reported by Stewart Brand:   Among other things, the wide variety of verb [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Endangered languages and linguistic best practices &#124; Tech-monkey.info Blogs</title>
		<link>http://blog.longnow.org/2009/03/23/daniel-everett-endangered-languages-lost-knowledge-and-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-7250</link>
		<dc:creator>Endangered languages and linguistic best practices &#124; Tech-monkey.info Blogs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 13:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Everett&#8217;s recent Long Now talk about endangered languages (writeup, mp3) includes this gem reported by Stewart Brand:   Among other things, the wide variety of verb [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Endangered languages and linguistic best practices &#171; Jon Udell</title>
		<link>http://blog.longnow.org/2009/03/23/daniel-everett-endangered-languages-lost-knowledge-and-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-7248</link>
		<dc:creator>Endangered languages and linguistic best practices &#171; Jon Udell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 13:19:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] No Comments&#160;   Daniel Everett&#8217;s recent Long Now talk about endangered languages (writeup, mp3) includes this gem reported by Stewart Brand:   Among other things, the wide variety of verb [...]</description>
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		<title>By: HileThoughts &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Imagine there was no religion&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://blog.longnow.org/2009/03/23/daniel-everett-endangered-languages-lost-knowledge-and-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-7146</link>
		<dc:creator>HileThoughts &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Imagine there was no religion&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 19:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] March Daniel Everett spoke about endangered languages at a Long Now seminar (audio, summary). In 1977 Everett, then a Christian missionary, went to work with the Pirahã tribe in the center [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Andrew E. Scott &#187; Treasured Languages</title>
		<link>http://blog.longnow.org/2009/03/23/daniel-everett-endangered-languages-lost-knowledge-and-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-7044</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew E. Scott &#187; Treasured Languages</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 12:50:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] just finished listening to a podcast of a seminar put on by the Long Now Foundation, on endangered languages. It was fascinating for many reasons, but just one was the concept put forward that a language is a [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Grant</title>
		<link>http://blog.longnow.org/2009/03/23/daniel-everett-endangered-languages-lost-knowledge-and-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-6918</link>
		<dc:creator>Grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 17:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Language is a tool we shape and use the same way we shaped and used flint to create axes, spears and knives.  It begins with the discovery that our mouths, lungs, tongue and teeth can be used to create sounds that will convey information.  A particular language lives in the mouths and minds of a particular group and will only live as long as the people who use it live.  When one dies, the other dies.  Just as the hammer has become more useful to our society than the rock for driving nails or smashing open shell fish, a language that loses its usefulness due to a better tool being available will be replaced by the new tool and the use of the old tool will die out.  As newer and better tools become available to a society the old tools will die from lack of usage and what will kill them will be the plethora of new tools that do a better job in a better way than the old ones.  This is a process that will only stop when there is no one left who knows how to make and use the old tool.

American Indian languages are disappearing because it has become less and less useful.  You can&#039;t get a job, describe the world you live in or improve your position in society unless you speak English.  Thus, the Indian language gets used less and less and must be preserved by artificial means like a specimen in a museum or a zoo.  We are losing our languages for the same reason we are losing our tigers and zebras and all the other flora and fauna that are of no immediate use to us.  It&#039;s a process that can&#039;t be stopped nor protected because language evolves to interact with an environment.  When that environment is gone, so will the language be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Language is a tool we shape and use the same way we shaped and used flint to create axes, spears and knives.  It begins with the discovery that our mouths, lungs, tongue and teeth can be used to create sounds that will convey information.  A particular language lives in the mouths and minds of a particular group and will only live as long as the people who use it live.  When one dies, the other dies.  Just as the hammer has become more useful to our society than the rock for driving nails or smashing open shell fish, a language that loses its usefulness due to a better tool being available will be replaced by the new tool and the use of the old tool will die out.  As newer and better tools become available to a society the old tools will die from lack of usage and what will kill them will be the plethora of new tools that do a better job in a better way than the old ones.  This is a process that will only stop when there is no one left who knows how to make and use the old tool.</p>
<p>American Indian languages are disappearing because it has become less and less useful.  You can&#8217;t get a job, describe the world you live in or improve your position in society unless you speak English.  Thus, the Indian language gets used less and less and must be preserved by artificial means like a specimen in a museum or a zoo.  We are losing our languages for the same reason we are losing our tigers and zebras and all the other flora and fauna that are of no immediate use to us.  It&#8217;s a process that can&#8217;t be stopped nor protected because language evolves to interact with an environment.  When that environment is gone, so will the language be.</p>
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		<title>By: ng</title>
		<link>http://blog.longnow.org/2009/03/23/daniel-everett-endangered-languages-lost-knowledge-and-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-6863</link>
		<dc:creator>ng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 18:26:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am curious whether the Piraha people can be taught the concept of numbers and whether they can be taught other languages which do use recursion.  Is it that they are incapable of using these concepts or do they just not need them in their environment?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am curious whether the Piraha people can be taught the concept of numbers and whether they can be taught other languages which do use recursion.  Is it that they are incapable of using these concepts or do they just not need them in their environment?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Nielsen &#187; Biweekly links for 04/24/2009</title>
		<link>http://blog.longnow.org/2009/03/23/daniel-everett-endangered-languages-lost-knowledge-and-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-6849</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Nielsen &#187; Biweekly links for 04/24/2009</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 10:49:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Long Now Blog » Daniel Everett, “Endangered Languages, Lost Knowledge and the Future” [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Algorithms, Genomics, and Language &#171; Mentavolution</title>
		<link>http://blog.longnow.org/2009/03/23/daniel-everett-endangered-languages-lost-knowledge-and-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-6683</link>
		<dc:creator>Algorithms, Genomics, and Language &#171; Mentavolution</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 03:21:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] had went to  Daniel Everett&#8217;s talk at a Longnow talk where he mentioned that there is no universal or fundamental component of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Weekly Wisdom Roundup #21 (Links You Don&#8217;t Want To Miss) &#124; Simoleon Sense</title>
		<link>http://blog.longnow.org/2009/03/23/daniel-everett-endangered-languages-lost-knowledge-and-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-6672</link>
		<dc:creator>Weekly Wisdom Roundup #21 (Links You Don&#8217;t Want To Miss) &#124; Simoleon Sense</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 23:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Daniel Everett, “Endangered Languages, Lost Knowledge and the Future” - Via Long Now Blog -  The Pirahã tribe in the heart of the Amazon numbers only 360, spread in [...]</description>
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		<title>By: tp1024</title>
		<link>http://blog.longnow.org/2009/03/23/daniel-everett-endangered-languages-lost-knowledge-and-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-6666</link>
		<dc:creator>tp1024</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 20:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even though I share the concern for languages lost to history, I can&#039;t help thinking about one aspect, that seems to get left out of this discussion time and again. 

How did those languages came to be? They were obviously created by their speakers. So there must be long term processes that precipitate their formation. While everyone is asking: how many languages are being destroyed last decade, I am much more interested in the question, how many have been created?

Humans are hardly the blind beings who take up any language that is imposed on them and forget about everything else, never to do anything new in the future.

When Rome conquered Europe and the Mediterranean, it wiped out a lot of languages and established Latin as the new language. Yet, Latin has vanished, with the exception of some rather anachronistic remnants. But it gave rise to Portugese, Catalan, Galego, Castillian, French, Basque, Italian, Raeto-Roman, Romanian (and whatever languages I forgot) and influenced a plethora of other languages, including the one I&#039;m writing in. 

So, where are the linguists monitoring the creation of languages? Warning against normative regulations that may mean that more useful, richer or easier to learn languages may never come into being? Isn&#039;t ensuring improvement and creation of languages something that long term thinking should be more concerned about than the unavoidable extinction of old ones?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even though I share the concern for languages lost to history, I can&#8217;t help thinking about one aspect, that seems to get left out of this discussion time and again. </p>
<p>How did those languages came to be? They were obviously created by their speakers. So there must be long term processes that precipitate their formation. While everyone is asking: how many languages are being destroyed last decade, I am much more interested in the question, how many have been created?</p>
<p>Humans are hardly the blind beings who take up any language that is imposed on them and forget about everything else, never to do anything new in the future.</p>
<p>When Rome conquered Europe and the Mediterranean, it wiped out a lot of languages and established Latin as the new language. Yet, Latin has vanished, with the exception of some rather anachronistic remnants. But it gave rise to Portugese, Catalan, Galego, Castillian, French, Basque, Italian, Raeto-Roman, Romanian (and whatever languages I forgot) and influenced a plethora of other languages, including the one I&#8217;m writing in. </p>
<p>So, where are the linguists monitoring the creation of languages? Warning against normative regulations that may mean that more useful, richer or easier to learn languages may never come into being? Isn&#8217;t ensuring improvement and creation of languages something that long term thinking should be more concerned about than the unavoidable extinction of old ones?</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Olin</title>
		<link>http://blog.longnow.org/2009/03/23/daniel-everett-endangered-languages-lost-knowledge-and-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-6652</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Olin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 09:48:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Tibetan language may not be on the immediate verge of extinction, but nevertheless there it&#039;s habitat and future is definitely threatened. And related to that Dzongsar Khyentse Rinpoche and a group other lamas and translators are starting a grand project for translating a large part of the Tibetan kanon of the buddhist teachings.

The scale and time scale of the project gives associations to The Long Now foundation.

Dzongsar Khyents Rinpoche says: 

“My main reason for convening this conference is that I believe it&#039;s entirely possible that the survival of the Buddhadharma could depend on it being translated into other languages. I also believe that by translating and making available the Tibetan Buddhist texts to modern people, a vast swathe of Buddhist civilization and culture may be saved from global annihilation. It&#039;s clear we need to act quickly, and I believe the only way we can accomplish this monumental endeavor is by working together—pooling our skills, resources, experience and energy and coming up with a plan for translating the Buddhadharma. We must decide where we want this process to be in 10 years, 25 years, 50 years and 100 years”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Tibetan language may not be on the immediate verge of extinction, but nevertheless there it&#8217;s habitat and future is definitely threatened. And related to that Dzongsar Khyentse Rinpoche and a group other lamas and translators are starting a grand project for translating a large part of the Tibetan kanon of the buddhist teachings.</p>
<p>The scale and time scale of the project gives associations to The Long Now foundation.</p>
<p>Dzongsar Khyents Rinpoche says: </p>
<p>“My main reason for convening this conference is that I believe it&#8217;s entirely possible that the survival of the Buddhadharma could depend on it being translated into other languages. I also believe that by translating and making available the Tibetan Buddhist texts to modern people, a vast swathe of Buddhist civilization and culture may be saved from global annihilation. It&#8217;s clear we need to act quickly, and I believe the only way we can accomplish this monumental endeavor is by working together—pooling our skills, resources, experience and energy and coming up with a plan for translating the Buddhadharma. We must decide where we want this process to be in 10 years, 25 years, 50 years and 100 years”</p>
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