Comments on: Ese… Esselen… Esperanto! http://blog.longnow.org/2009/07/15/ese-esselen-esperanto/ The Official Weblog of The Long Now Foundation and Friends Sat, 11 Feb 2012 23:43:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Zeinelabidin Elhassi http://blog.longnow.org/2009/07/15/ese-esselen-esperanto/comment-page-1/#comment-8707 Zeinelabidin Elhassi Wed, 25 Nov 2009 17:40:35 +0000 http://blog.longnow.org/2009/07/15/ese-esselen-esperanto/#comment-8707 Is Esperanto really the solution? http://nova-esperanto.blogspot.com/ http://sites.google.com/site/theworldlanguageardano/ http://ardano.weebly.com Is Esperanto really the solution?

http://nova-esperanto.blogspot.com/

http://sites.google.com/site/theworldlanguageardano/

http://ardano.weebly.com

]]> By: Detlef Karthaus http://blog.longnow.org/2009/07/15/ese-esselen-esperanto/comment-page-1/#comment-7561 Detlef Karthaus Wed, 22 Jul 2009 19:17:39 +0000 http://blog.longnow.org/2009/07/15/ese-esselen-esperanto/#comment-7561 The people who crafted cuckoo clocks just put a 10 inch satellite into orbit, so I wouldn't be down on cuckoo clocks, since it looks like the clocks helped them gain those skills. Vanderleun seems to be new to The Long Now foundation, since their goal is:" to creatively foster long-term thinking and responsibility in the framework of the next 10,000 years." So if Esperanto 'hasn't gained traction' in 125 years, we still have 9875 to go:) The people who crafted cuckoo clocks just put a 10 inch satellite into orbit, so I wouldn’t be down on cuckoo clocks, since it looks like the clocks helped them gain those skills.
Vanderleun seems to be new to The Long Now foundation, since their goal is:” to creatively foster long-term thinking and responsibility in the framework of the next 10,000 years.”
So if Esperanto ‘hasn’t gained traction’ in 125 years, we still have 9875 to go:)

]]> By: Remush http://blog.longnow.org/2009/07/15/ese-esselen-esperanto/comment-page-1/#comment-7513 Remush Sat, 18 Jul 2009 23:43:11 +0000 http://blog.longnow.org/2009/07/15/ese-esselen-esperanto/#comment-7513 >"actual world" You almost said it: the actual world will become an anachronism. Rejoice, you'll be part of it in saecula saeculorum... About "Rosetta Stone's" list, you missed the "buy now" button. They cannot compete with http://en.lernu.net/ offering better services for free. Groetjes van Remuŝ ps. notu ke Vanderleun estas Nederlanda nomo kiu signifas "de la apog (ilo)" . Ekz. leunstoel estas apogseĝo (aŭ brakseĝo). Li apogas sin sur la samaj firmaj kredoj kiel de tiuj kiuj asertis ke la tero platis. Nu, ni fosu nian sulkon rondirante. Sed eĉ se ĝi profundas kiel la Granda Kanjono, tio ne konvinkos nian Delaapogon. Ve :-( >”actual world”

You almost said it: the actual world will become an anachronism. Rejoice, you’ll be part of it in saecula saeculorum…
About “Rosetta Stone’s” list, you missed the “buy now” button. They cannot compete with http://en.lernu.net/ offering better services for free.

Groetjes van
Remuŝ

ps.
notu ke Vanderleun estas Nederlanda nomo kiu signifas “de la apog (ilo)” . Ekz. leunstoel estas apogseĝo (aŭ brakseĝo). Li apogas sin sur la samaj firmaj kredoj kiel de tiuj kiuj asertis ke la tero platis.
Nu, ni fosu nian sulkon rondirante.
Sed eĉ se ĝi profundas kiel la Granda Kanjono, tio ne konvinkos nian Delaapogon. Ve :-(

]]> By: vanderleun http://blog.longnow.org/2009/07/15/ese-esselen-esperanto/comment-page-1/#comment-7503 vanderleun Fri, 17 Jul 2009 18:42:23 +0000 http://blog.longnow.org/2009/07/15/ese-esselen-esperanto/#comment-7503 The second thing about Esperanto that refuses to die is the fact that, say anything obvious about it's failure to gain traction in the actual world, and everybody who LUVs it will show up to demonstrate their mad skillz in it and instruct you on how useful it is. Well, so's the ability to craft a cuckoo clock from toothpicks but life is short and lunch is long. If ever a chunk of intellectual insanity was made for preening, it's Esperanto. Look, folks, if it was important it would be on Rosetta Stone's product list. Tagalog is. I get that people want to palaver back and forth in Esperanto just like people at the Society for Creative Anachronism like to bash each other with padded swords, but that doesn't mean it's something for the ages. The second thing about Esperanto that refuses to die is the fact that, say anything obvious about it’s failure to gain traction in the actual world, and everybody who LUVs it will show up to demonstrate their mad skillz in it and instruct you on how useful it is. Well, so’s the ability to craft a cuckoo clock from toothpicks but life is short and lunch is long. If ever a chunk of intellectual insanity was made for preening, it’s Esperanto. Look, folks, if it was important it would be on Rosetta Stone’s product list. Tagalog is.

I get that people want to palaver back and forth in Esperanto just like people at the Society for Creative
Anachronism like to bash each other with padded swords, but that doesn’t mean it’s something for the ages.

]]> By: Nick http://blog.longnow.org/2009/07/15/ese-esselen-esperanto/comment-page-1/#comment-7501 Nick Fri, 17 Jul 2009 15:14:50 +0000 http://blog.longnow.org/2009/07/15/ese-esselen-esperanto/#comment-7501 Jon, mi konsentas. Kiel oni povas diri, ke Esperanto estas "neutilebla," kiam ni nun uzas ĝin por insulti malamikojn de la lingvo? =) Jon, mi konsentas. Kiel oni povas diri, ke Esperanto estas “neutilebla,” kiam ni nun uzas ĝin por insulti malamikojn de la lingvo? =)

]]> By: GrizaLeono http://blog.longnow.org/2009/07/15/ese-esselen-esperanto/comment-page-1/#comment-7499 GrizaLeono Fri, 17 Jul 2009 09:22:27 +0000 http://blog.longnow.org/2009/07/15/ese-esselen-esperanto/#comment-7499 The uselessness of Esperanto assumed by Vanderleun is as the uselessness of eyeglasses for a blind man. La senutilo de Esperanto supozata de Vanderleun estas kiel la senutilo de okulvitroj por blindulo. The uselessness of Esperanto assumed by Vanderleun is as the uselessness of eyeglasses for a blind man.
La senutilo de Esperanto supozata de Vanderleun estas kiel la senutilo de okulvitroj por blindulo.

]]> By: Penny Vos http://blog.longnow.org/2009/07/15/ese-esselen-esperanto/comment-page-1/#comment-7497 Penny Vos Thu, 16 Jul 2009 22:55:46 +0000 http://blog.longnow.org/2009/07/15/ese-esselen-esperanto/#comment-7497 Vanderleun, I feel just the same about golf tees and retractors, but then I don't play golf or do surgery. On the other hand, I do use the grammar of Esperanto every day in my work as a teacher, and it is useful both for Esperanto communication , with people from many backgrounds with whom I could not otherwise communicate, and for teaching the basics of grammar in general to facilitate later language learning. I'm sure that you use less useful tools yourself quite often. Vanderleun, I feel just the same about golf tees and retractors, but then I don’t play golf or do surgery.
On the other hand, I do use the grammar of Esperanto every day in my work as a teacher, and it is useful both for Esperanto communication , with people from many backgrounds with whom I could not otherwise communicate, and for teaching the basics of grammar in general to facilitate later language learning.
I’m sure that you use less useful tools yourself quite often.

]]> By: Remush http://blog.longnow.org/2009/07/15/ese-esselen-esperanto/comment-page-1/#comment-7496 Remush Thu, 16 Jul 2009 21:56:50 +0000 http://blog.longnow.org/2009/07/15/ese-esselen-esperanto/#comment-7496 > "amazing love of the useless invention of Esperanto " Amazing indeed... for those who never tried it, and astonishing for those who tried it. It is like seeing colours for a colour-blind. Shouldn't be that difficult to understand why people are falling in love with such a florid language. -- ЄЭ Remuŝ (Belgio) > “amazing love of the useless invention of Esperanto ”
Amazing indeed… for those who never tried it, and astonishing for those who tried it.
It is like seeing colours for a colour-blind.
Shouldn’t be that difficult to understand why people are falling in love with such a florid language.
–
ЄЭ Remuŝ (Belgio)

]]> By: Jon Zuck http://blog.longnow.org/2009/07/15/ese-esselen-esperanto/comment-page-1/#comment-7494 Jon Zuck Thu, 16 Jul 2009 19:52:26 +0000 http://blog.longnow.org/2009/07/15/ese-esselen-esperanto/#comment-7494 Krome malliberaj registaroj, stultaj aĉuloj kiel Vanderleun mokas kion, tion ili ne komprenas. Tio montras ilian stultecon. Krome malliberaj registaroj, stultaj aĉuloj kiel Vanderleun mokas kion, tion ili ne komprenas. Tio montras ilian stultecon.

]]> By: Gene Keyes http://blog.longnow.org/2009/07/15/ese-esselen-esperanto/comment-page-1/#comment-7492 Gene Keyes Thu, 16 Jul 2009 16:50:55 +0000 http://blog.longnow.org/2009/07/15/ese-esselen-esperanto/#comment-7492 Zamenhof's original 1887 pamphlet describing Esperanto is online in its English version at http://www.genekeyes.com/Dr_Esperanto.html Zamenhof’s original 1887 pamphlet describing Esperanto is online in its English version at http://www.genekeyes.com/Dr_Esperanto.html

]]> By: vanderleun http://blog.longnow.org/2009/07/15/ese-esselen-esperanto/comment-page-1/#comment-7487 vanderleun Thu, 16 Jul 2009 03:19:59 +0000 http://blog.longnow.org/2009/07/15/ese-esselen-esperanto/#comment-7487 Sigh. It never ceases to amaze me how the love of the useless invention of Esperanto seems to never die. It has to be one of the benchmarks of advanced intellectual insanity in our time. Today, the "grammar of Esperanto!" Next week, instructions for carving a cuckoo clock from balsa wood. Sigh. It never ceases to amaze me how the love of the useless invention of Esperanto seems to never die. It has to be one of the benchmarks of advanced intellectual insanity in our time.

Today, the “grammar of Esperanto!” Next week, instructions for carving a cuckoo clock from balsa wood.

]]> By: Romeo Vitelli http://blog.longnow.org/2009/07/15/ese-esselen-esperanto/comment-page-1/#comment-7486 Romeo Vitelli Wed, 15 Jul 2009 23:40:11 +0000 http://blog.longnow.org/2009/07/15/ese-esselen-esperanto/#comment-7486 Esperanto speakers have also faced horrendous persecution over the years. Ludwik Zamenhof's children were all killed by the Nazis. Most repressive governments tend to be suspicious of the Esperanto movement. http://drvitelli.typepad.com/providentia/2009/05/the-zamenhof-legacy.html Esperanto speakers have also faced horrendous persecution over the years. Ludwik Zamenhof’s children were all killed by the Nazis. Most repressive governments tend to be suspicious of the Esperanto movement.

http://drvitelli.typepad.com/providentia/2009/05/the-zamenhof-legacy.html

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