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		<title>By: Alex Petrov</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Petrov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Mar 2011 10:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you ever so for you article and for the links.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you ever so for you article and for the links.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura Welcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura Welcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 22:34:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is really a gem of a study.  An astounding result achieved with merely five contrastive call tokens, recorded in context in the monkeys&#039; natural environment.  Brilliant.  And for what it might reveal about complex linguistic development in primates, I find it more compelling than much of the work done teaching chimps and gorillas rudimentary communication with human through signs.


I found it worthwhile to go to the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0007808&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;original article&lt;/a&gt; and listen to the sound samples of the calls.  The contrastive element &#039;oo&#039; is a very low sound, which I find barely perceptible.  But if you look at the spectrographs of the recordings, you can see that the additional &#039;oo&#039; element is there, producing a dark band at the low frequencies and warping the formants of the previous call sounds.  These calls also have about twice the duration of the single-morpheme call.


I&#039;m a bit surprised that the longer, more complex calls have a more general meaning, and the simplex calls a more specific one.  So &#039;hok&#039; meaning eagle but &#039;hok-oo&#039; meaning general canopy disturbance.  Or &#039;krak&#039; meaning leopard but &#039;krak-oo&#039; meaning general alert.  This seems the reverse of what you commonly find in human language where the simpler expression is often the most general, for example &#039;truck&#039; compared with the more complex and semantically specific &#039;Ford truck&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is really a gem of a study.  An astounding result achieved with merely five contrastive call tokens, recorded in context in the monkeys&#8217; natural environment.  Brilliant.  And for what it might reveal about complex linguistic development in primates, I find it more compelling than much of the work done teaching chimps and gorillas rudimentary communication with human through signs.</p>
<p>I found it worthwhile to go to the <a href="http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0007808" rel="nofollow">original article</a> and listen to the sound samples of the calls.  The contrastive element &#8216;oo&#8217; is a very low sound, which I find barely perceptible.  But if you look at the spectrographs of the recordings, you can see that the additional &#8216;oo&#8217; element is there, producing a dark band at the low frequencies and warping the formants of the previous call sounds.  These calls also have about twice the duration of the single-morpheme call.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a bit surprised that the longer, more complex calls have a more general meaning, and the simplex calls a more specific one.  So &#8216;hok&#8217; meaning eagle but &#8216;hok-oo&#8217; meaning general canopy disturbance.  Or &#8216;krak&#8217; meaning leopard but &#8216;krak-oo&#8217; meaning general alert.  This seems the reverse of what you commonly find in human language where the simpler expression is often the most general, for example &#8216;truck&#8217; compared with the more complex and semantically specific &#8216;Ford truck&#8217;.</p>
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