Comments on: Durable Ephemerality http://blog.longnow.org/2010/07/28/durable-ephemerality/ The Official Weblog of The Long Now Foundation and Friends Sat, 11 Feb 2012 23:43:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Karino http://blog.longnow.org/2010/07/28/durable-ephemerality/comment-page-1/#comment-21232 Karino Sat, 31 Jul 2010 01:30:48 +0000 http://blog.longnow.org/?p=2917#comment-21232 We should also note that the drunken college students in the FB photos will not only be future employees but future employers as well. Having chosen to make their private lives more public than any other generation I think they will be able to overlook minor indiscretions in their perspective work force. Same with tattoos and ear extenders, piercings, etc. It's sort of social evolution. We should also note that the drunken college students in the FB photos will not only be future employees but future employers as well. Having chosen to make their private lives more public than any other generation I think they will be able to overlook minor indiscretions in their perspective work force. Same with tattoos and ear extenders, piercings, etc. It's sort of social evolution.

]]> By: Zander http://blog.longnow.org/2010/07/28/durable-ephemerality/comment-page-1/#comment-21208 Zander Wed, 28 Jul 2010 21:40:22 +0000 http://blog.longnow.org/?p=2917#comment-21208 I fully agree that the more interactive and database driven web applications are going to be some of the most impenetrable. And I really like HTTPS everywhere as an idea as well as EFF as an org. I do believe though that any level of encryption creates a potential archival problem. My bet is that the studios that institute DVD movie and iTunes copy protection would make a similar "on the wire" argument since the end user still gets their movie or song right? <br><br>But those schemes, and the others in the future, will make archiving and recreating traffic patterns etc more difficult. In the case of the HTTPS I think it will be the latter, learning the ways different types of net traffic moves, that will be lost to archiving. Whole companies have been made on mining that relational and pattern data - Google for one, and Alexa Internet for another (Alexa was the for-profit end of Internet Archive) I fully agree that the more interactive and database driven web applications are going to be some of the most impenetrable. And I really like HTTPS everywhere as an idea as well as EFF as an org. I do believe though that any level of encryption creates a potential archival problem. My bet is that the studios that institute DVD movie and iTunes copy protection would make a similar “on the wire” argument since the end user still gets their movie or song right?

But those schemes, and the others in the future, will make archiving and recreating traffic patterns etc more difficult. In the case of the HTTPS I think it will be the latter, learning the ways different types of net traffic moves, that will be lost to archiving. Whole companies have been made on mining that relational and pattern data – Google for one, and Alexa Internet for another (Alexa was the for-profit end of Internet Archive)

]]> By: Gwern0 http://blog.longnow.org/2010/07/28/durable-ephemerality/comment-page-1/#comment-21206 Gwern0 Wed, 28 Jul 2010 16:01:39 +0000 http://blog.longnow.org/?p=2917#comment-21206 > Rosen’s piece along with new projects such as the Electronic Frontier Foundation’s HTTPS Everywhere project are reactions to a feeling that we are losing privacy in the digital age. These reactions have an unfortunate side effect however – if we encrypt or auto delete our data, we will lose it forever.<br><br>Bad example. How on earth does encrypting traffic on the wire damage preservation projects? The same content arrives at the end and is rendered in the browser.<br><br>(Things that really damage preservation are things like Web 2.0 - pervasive use of JavaScript and dynamic elements mean that projects like the Internet Archive simply don't have anything to archive, or if they do, it's difficult-to-impossible to, years/decades later, render them sensibly. The Internet Archive can handle even frame-based webpages well, but I have yet to pull up a JS-heavy website worth a damn in it.) > Rosen’s piece along with new projects such as the Electronic Frontier Foundation’s HTTPS Everywhere project are reactions to a feeling that we are losing privacy in the digital age. These reactions have an unfortunate side effect however – if we encrypt or auto delete our data, we will lose it forever.

Bad example. How on earth does encrypting traffic on the wire damage preservation projects? The same content arrives at the end and is rendered in the browser.

(Things that really damage preservation are things like Web 2.0 – pervasive use of JavaScript and dynamic elements mean that projects like the Internet Archive simply don't have anything to archive, or if they do, it's difficult-to-impossible to, years/decades later, render them sensibly. The Internet Archive can handle even frame-based webpages well, but I have yet to pull up a JS-heavy website worth a damn in it.)

]]> By: jason http://blog.longnow.org/2010/07/28/durable-ephemerality/comment-page-1/#comment-22400 jason Wed, 28 Jul 2010 15:33:00 +0000 http://blog.longnow.org/?p=2917#comment-22400 Last night's Long Short: New York invasion by 8-bits creatures http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxX_bVluflo&feature=related Last night’s Long Short:
New York invasion by 8-bits creatures
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxX_bVluflo&feature=related

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