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		<title>The Archive Team</title>
		<link>http://blog.longnow.org/2011/09/08/the-archive-team/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Sep 2011 21:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Heather Louise Mae Bowden</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Digital Dark Age]]></category>

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		<description><![CDATA[One of our favorite rogue digital archivists, Jason Scott, has just posted a video of his talk at DefCon 19 about The Archive Team exploits. This is perhaps the most eloquent (and freely peppered with profanity) explanations of the problems inherent with preserving our digital cultural heritage. He also describes in a fair amount of detail what [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of our favorite rogue digital archivists, <a title="textfiles.com" href="http://ascii.textfiles.com/">Jason Scott</a>, has just posted a video of his talk at <a title="Defcon 19!" href="https://www.defcon.org/html/defcon-19/dc-19-index.html">DefCon 19 </a>about <a title="archiveteam.org" href="http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Main_Page">The Archive Team</a> exploits. This is perhaps the most eloquent (and freely peppered with profanity) explanations of the problems inherent with preserving our digital cultural heritage. He also describes in a fair amount of detail what he and The Archive Team have been doing to help remedy the problem.</p>
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<p>I am going to take a moment here and say that THIS is what <a href="http://blog.longnow.org/2011/08/16/cure-for-the-digital-dark-age/">I was talking about a few weeks ago</a>. Jason Scott and The Archive Team exemplify the type of community activity that we need to be happening in order to save our shi.. stuff.</p>
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		<title>Charles Stross: Network Security in the Medium Term, 2061-2561 AD</title>
		<link>http://blog.longnow.org/2011/08/25/charles-stross-network-security-in-the-medium-term-2061-2561-ad/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Aug 2011 23:34:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Austin Brown</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Digital Dark Age]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[Earlier this month author Charles Stross gave a lecture in San Francisco for the USENIX Security Symposium. He called his talk “Network Security in the Medium Term, 2061-2561 AD” and in it he took the concept far beyond keeping your email password private or your WiFi from being hacked. Network security, according to Stross, will [...]]]></description>
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<p>Earlier this month author Charles Stross gave a lecture in San Francisco for the <a href="http://www.usenix.org/events/sec11/stream/stross/index.html" target="_blank">USENIX Security Symposium</a>. He called his talk “<a href="http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2011/08/usenix-2011-keynote-network-se.html" target="_blank">Network Security in the Medium Term, 2061-2561 AD</a>” and in it he took the concept far beyond keeping your email password private or your WiFi from being hacked.</p>
<p>Network security, according to Stross, will slowly work its way down to a basic need for everyone until it resembles the right to personal safety.</p>
<p>With increasingly pervasive networked sensors, knowledgeable genetic tests, and falling data storage costs, our online identities become more and more just our identities. Trade-offs and double-edged swords abound:</p>
<blockquote><p>Is losing your genomic privacy an excessive price to pay for surviving cancer and evading plagues?</p>
<p>Is compromising your sensory privacy through lifelogging a reasonable price to pay for preventing malicious impersonation and apprehending criminals?</p>
<p>Is letting your insurance company know exactly how you steer and hit the gas and brake pedals, and where you drive, an acceptable price to pay for cheaper insurance?</p></blockquote>
<p>But the value in storing and selectively sharing this data is there, as anyone who’s searched for an old email to absolve themselves of some minor (or not so minor) blame can attest. A short story, <a href="http://www.ftrain.com/nanolaw.html">Nanolaw with Daughter</a>, by Paul Ford hints at this same issue:</p>
<blockquote><p>Then would come the game. Cameras in the phone of every parent. Sensors on the goals; sensors in the ref&#8217;s whistle; in the ball; in the lamps that light the field. Yellow cards, goals, offsides, all recorded from many angles and tagged with time, location, temperature, whether for the memories or to limit liability—the motion of 22 bobbing ponytails transformed into lines of light.</p></blockquote>
<p>And so, if one is compelled to record as much of their life as possible, even just as a means of refuting those who would accuse them, network security becomes a highly personal long-term archiving project:</p>
<blockquote><p>But some forms of personal data – medical records, for example, or land title deeds – need to remain accessible over periods of decades to centuries. Lifelogs will be similar; if you want at age ninety to recall events from age nine, then a stable platform for storing your memory is essential, and it needs to be one that isn’t trivially crackable in less than eighty-one years and counting.</p></blockquote>
<p>Your very assertion of who you are will become dependent on the reliable and secure functioning of a vast infrastructure: “Robustness and durability are going to be at a premium in the future,” Stross emphasizes.</p>
<p>You can <a href="http://www.usenix.org/events/sec11/stream/stross/index.html">view video of the talk</a> or read the <a href="http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2011/08/usenix-2011-keynote-network-se.html">full text</a>.</p>
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		<title>Cure for the Digital Dark Age?</title>
		<link>http://blog.longnow.org/2011/08/16/cure-for-the-digital-dark-age/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2011 17:32:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Heather Louise Mae Bowden</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Digital Dark Age]]></category>

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		<description><![CDATA[*An old VisiCalc ad from the early 80&#8242;s. The Digital Dark Age beacon has been flashing lately with some renewed frequency. It seems that articles on the pitfalls and challenges of preserving our digital &#8220;stuff&#8221; are starting to find their way back into the mainstream media. Most recent and notable of these is Kari Kraus&#8217; [...]]]></description>
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<p>*A<em>n old VisiCalc ad from the early 80&#8242;s.</em></p>
<p>The Digital Dark Age beacon has been flashing lately with some renewed frequency. It seems that articles on the pitfalls and challenges of preserving our digital &#8220;stuff&#8221; are starting to find their way back into the mainstream media. Most recent and notable of these is Kari Kraus&#8217; op-ed piece in the New York Times, &#8220;<a title="When Data Disappears" href="http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/07/opinion/sunday/when-data-disappears.html">When Data Disappears</a>.&#8221; The most salient thing that Kraus points to in this piece is the formation of specialist communities and their role in the preservation of video games.</p>
<p>When I first met Kevin Kelly, he told me of his notion that no technology will ever become obsolete because there will always be someone or some enthusiast community that will put energy toward the preservation of even the most obscure thing. He <a title="npr.org" href="http://www.npr.org/templates/archives/archive.php?thingId=133493770">famously told Robert Krulwich of NPR</a> that, &#8220;there is no species of technology that has ever gone globally extinct on this planet.&#8221;</p>
<p>What he is saying is that there will always be some force of human compulsion or need that emerges to buoy the inventions of our race. This is important. It is this notion of emergence that will help save us from our dreaded digital dark age. What I find myself doing now is trying to envision the existence of Visicalc enthusiast clubs or a group for any of the tens of thousands of digital file formats that have surfaced over the years. I can almost see it. It doesn&#8217;t seem totally infeasible to me, but part of me worries that some of these technologies just aren&#8217;t sexy enough to be embraced in the same way that old video games are. I wonder, too, about the scalability of Kelly&#8217;s idea. As the production of new technology gets faster, will there be enough human interest to sustain the preservation of ALL of it?</p>
<p>Time will tell and I am certainly betting on the hope that there will.</p>
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		<title>New York Times Lapse</title>
		<link>http://blog.longnow.org/2011/08/05/new-york-times-lapse/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2011 20:42:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Austin Brown</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA["Long Shorts"]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[Phillip Mendonça-Vieira captured the front page of the website of the New York Times every few hours from September 2010 to July 2011 and made a video of all those images. As far as historical documents go, it&#8217;s a hypnotic view into a particular period of time. On what we might learn from this he [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://okayfail.com/2011/nytimes-timelapse.html" target="_blank">Phillip Mendonça-Vieira captured the front page of the website of the New York Times</a> every few hours from September 2010 to July 2011 and made a video of all those images. As far as historical documents go, it&#8217;s a hypnotic view into a particular period of time.</p>
<p><iframe src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/sCKGOiauJCE" frameborder="0" width="480" height="390"></iframe></p>
<p>On what we might learn from this <a href="http://okayfail.com/2011/nytimes-timelapse.html" target="_blank">he says</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Having worked with and developed on a number of content management systems I can tell you that as a rule of thumb no one is storing their frontpage layout data. It&#8217;s all gone, and once newspapers shutter their physical distribution operations I get this feeling that we&#8217;re no longer going to have a comprehensive archive of how our news-sources of note looked on a daily basis. <a href="http://wayback.archive.org/web/20110815000000*/http://nytimes.com">Archive.org</a>comes close, but there are too many gaps to my liking.</p>
<p>This, in my humble opinion, is a tragedy because in many ways our frontpages are summaries of our perspectives and our preconceptions. They store what we thought was <em>important</em>, in a way that is easy and quick to parse and extremely valuable for any future generations wishing to study our time period.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://okayfail.com/2011/bbc-timelapse.html" target="_blank">He also did one for the BBC!</a></p>
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		<title>Last Typewriter Factory Closes</title>
		<link>http://blog.longnow.org/2011/04/26/last-typewriter-factory-closes/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2011 16:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Austin Brown</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[After selling only 800 models last year &#8211; down from over 10,000 as recently as 02009 &#8211; the last typewriter factory in the world (according to The Daily Mail) has closed its doors and halted production. The factory was run by Godrej and Boyce and was based in Mumbai, India. The majority of the typewriters [...]]]></description>
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<p>After selling only 800 models last year &#8211; down from over 10,000 as recently as 02009 &#8211; the last typewriter factory in the world (<a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1380383/Godrej-Boyce-Worlds-typewriter-factory-closes-doors-Mumbai.html" target="_blank">according to The Daily Mail</a>) has closed its doors and halted production. The factory was run by <a href="http://www.godrej.com/godrej/godrej/aboutgodrejgroup.aspx?id=1&amp;menuid=1163" target="_blank">Godrej and Boyce</a> and was based in Mumbai, India. The majority of the typewriters being produced in the last few years were for writers of Arabic in countries where modern PCs have yet to fully penetrate the market.</p>
<p>Despite the demise of industrial production, it seems likely the typewriter will live on. Kevin Kelly once said technologies are <a href="http://www.kk.org/thetechnium/archives/2006/02/immortal_techno.php" target="_blank">immortal</a> and if the collector/maintainer culture that&#8217;s already going strong around typewriters is any indication, manually thwacking ink onto paper has a good run ahead of it yet:</p>
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<li>For the real, restored thing there&#8217;s <a href="http://www.mytypewriter.com/" target="_blank">myTypewriter.com</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.rarotype.com/" target="_blank">Rarotype Inc.</a> in Sunrise, Florida still manufactures printwheels for use in manual typewriters of many different brands.</li>
<li><a href="http://www.mrtypewriter.com/" target="_blank">Mr. T pities the early-adopting fool</a>: &#8220;With a typewriter from MrTypewriter.com you can rest assured that you have invested in a quality machine that has been fully tested and restored to once again provide many years of reliable service for today&#8217;s wordsmiths. &#8220;</li>
<li>You can <a href="http://www.emersonlofts.com/index.php" target="_blank">live in a typewriter factory</a> in Emerson, IL.</li>
<li>Check out these <a href="http://www.etsy.com/shop/usbtypewriter" target="_blank">USB Typewriters</a> for giving your iPad that vintage feel.</li>
<li>The <a href="http://www.earlyofficemuseum.com/typewriters.htm" target="_blank">Early Office Museum</a> explores the history of typewriters.</li>
<li>IBM has an <a href="http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/exhibits/modelb/modelb_milestone.html" target="_blank">online timeline</a> describing their contributions to typewriter technology.</li>
</ul>
<p>(Sent in by Katie Malone &#8211; thanks!)</p>
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		<title>The Library of Utility</title>
		<link>http://blog.longnow.org/2011/04/25/the-library-of-utility/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Apr 2011 16:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Kelly</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I imagine a library atop a remote mountain that collects the essential information needed to re-learn practical knowledge essential to civilization. This depot, open to anyone who journeys there, is the cultural equivalent of the Svalbard seed bank, a vault on the Arctic Circle that holds frozen seeds of crop plants from around the world. [...]]]></description>
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<p>I imagine a library atop a remote mountain that collects the  essential information needed to re-learn practical knowledge essential  to civilization. This depot, open to anyone who journeys there, is the  cultural equivalent of the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svalbard_Global_Seed_Vault">Svalbard seed bank</a>,  a vault on the Arctic Circle that holds frozen seeds of crop plants  from around the world. The utilitarian documents in this vault would be  the seeds of culture, able to sprout again if needed. It would be the  Library of Utility, and it would serve as civilization&#8217;s backup.</p>
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<p>Most great libraries of today have a broad mandate to be very  inclusive. They contain &#8220;everything.&#8221; This everything is being  duplicated in digital form by Google and others as the long-desired  Universal Library. But the library at the top of the mountain would be  different. It would be a very selective library. It would not contain  the world&#8217;s great literature, or varied accounts of history, or deep  knowledge of ethnic wonders, or speculations about the future. It has no  records of past news, no children&#8217;s books, no tomes on philosophy.  It  contains only seeds. Seeds of utilitarian know-how. How to recreate the  infrastructure and technology of civilization so far. The library would  gather the knowledge needed to recreate itself &#8212; all the mechanical  structures of brick, mortar, glass &#8212; the library itself. One could  think of it as a manual for making a physical library with books and  paper. Or a manual for reconstruction the infrastructure of  civilization. A <a href="../2010/04/06/manual-for-civilization/">civilization reboot manual</a>,  which has also been discussed at the Long Now Foundation and in various  science fiction stories. From the seeds of know-how archived here you  could regrow the arts of printing, or metalworking, or plastics, or  plywood, or laser discs.</p>
<p>This information is not usually found in libraries, or in books, or  even on the web in text. These days much instructional and utilitarian  information is conveyed in YouTube clips. Partly because video is a good  way to show how something is done, but also because it is much easier  to record a video that put things into words and diagrams. But often  that ease lowers the quality of instruction. If you had to rely on a  university library to find instructions on how to make sheet metal from  ore, or even to find and extract the ore, or to make plastic from oil,  or to grow silicon to make make a chip, it would be very difficult.  Usually such utilitarian knowledge is missing from books, but even when  it is present in the library, it is dilute and spread throughout many  books or journals.  A lot of this utilitarian knowledge is implicit  knowledge and passed along outside of written documentation. And when  written down, these documents are often not the type to find their way  into libraries.</p>
<p>It need not be a giant library. It may be possible to fit all the  essential information needed to bootstrap the infrastructure of  civilization into 10,000 books or so. And unlike the Universal Library  of Google, it would be on paper. In a century or so, paper-based books  will be rare. But paper books  will outlast any digital platform and  paper requires the least amount of technology to access. Paper will be  universally readable at any period. You can&#8217;t say that about floppy  disks, CD-Roms, and PDFs.</p>
<p>But rather than containing merely shelves of books, this Library of  Utility would contain sequences of books. Depending on where you wanted  to start, you would visit different documents. If you already knew how  to make glue, you could immediately start the instructions on making  plywood. But if you did not know how to make water-proof glue, you would  begin at a different point. Or if you knew glue and wood spinning, but  did not know about hydraulic presses, you&#8217;d get a different set of  instructions. That multi-forking seems pretty hypertext; would not  digital be better for this? Yes, it would be better, but would be done  in paper as a back up.</p>
<p>Perhaps the Library of Utility is usually sealed airtight, say  through the winter, and it is opened a few times, or a few months, a  year for adding books and research. This is a 10,000-year Library,   encased in an impermeable shell that could last for hundreds of years  without human attention if it came to that. So the Library of Utility  would be built to house the most essential 10,000 books for 10,000  years, a library of practical knowledge that could be bootstrapped to  restart civilization at any point it might be needed.</p>
<p>There is no need to wait for the Library to be built at the top of  the mountain. It could be started now, in any garage. What books would  you bring to it if you could?</p>
<p>(The image on top is of small monastery in the Himalayas, near Paro, Bhutan. There were only a few books in it. The second <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Svalbard_Global_Seed_Vault_main_entrance_1.jpg">image </a>is of the Svalbard seed bank. No books, only seeds.)</p>
<p>This article was cross posted from <a title="utility" href="http://www.kk.org/thetechnium/archives/2011/04/the_library_of.php">The Technium</a>.</p>
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		<title>Featuring: The Future</title>
		<link>http://blog.longnow.org/2011/04/07/featuring-the-future/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Apr 2011 17:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Alex Mensing</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The second season of FUTURESTATES has been released, a film series featuring visions and stories of the “not-too-distant future.” Participants imagined narratives based on scenarios such as extreme climate change with environmental refugees, gated communities that regulate the genetic makeup of their offspring, and the proliferation of software that charts our likes and dislikes, “creeping [...]]]></description>
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<p>The second season of <a href="http://futurestates.tv/">FUTURESTATES</a> has been released, a film series featuring visions and stories of the  “not-too-distant future.” Participants imagined narratives based on scenarios such as extreme climate  change with environmental refugees, gated communities that regulate the  genetic makeup of their offspring, and the  proliferation of software that charts our likes and dislikes, “creeping  into the human heart and soul.” J.P. Chan’s “Digital Antiquities” tells  the tale of a man with a cryptic old device (a CD) that his mother left  him and the woman who helps him retrieve its data. The story takes  place in a time when all information is constantly uploaded to ‘the  cloud,’ rendering nearly all of our present media obsolete.  Interestingly, this time is fast approaching: the year is 2036. Chan  writes:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>My  own experience with data loss made me think about how easy it is to  lose digital memories and what it might mean for our culture — and  ourselves — when that loss happens billions of times over. What memories  will be preserved of our era, when the media itself is so fragile?  Stone tablets survive millenia to tell us stories of civilizations that  left few other traces. If the far-more-frail hard drive is the stone  tablet of our times, we&#8217;re in big trouble.</em></p>
<p><em> </em><em>In  the future, virtually all of our lives will be recorded and presumably  stored safely online somewhere. Recovering data from personal media like  floppy disks, hard drives, optical discs, and memory chips will be an  extinct business. But right now, we&#8217;re creating lots of digital memories  on these media but only haphazardly preserving them. How will we feel  about this in a few decades when much of it is gone?</em></p></blockquote>
<p>You can watch &#8220;Digital Antiquities&#8221; <a href="http://futurestates.tv/episodes/digital-antiquities">here</a>, and also check out <em>FUTURESTATES&#8217;</em> <a href="http://futurestates.tv/predict_o_meter/">Predict-o-Meter</a> where you can weigh in on the future and see other users&#8217; predictions.</p>
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		<title>Human Language in the Palm of My Hand</title>
		<link>http://blog.longnow.org/2011/03/04/human-language-in-the-palm-of-my-hand/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Mar 2011 20:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Laura Welcher</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Two days ago, we learned that a Rosetta Disk made its way into the Special Collections of the University of Colorado Boulder library, and was on public display there. One of our members, Zane Selvans paid a visit, and had an extraordinary experience. He took fantastic pictures and wrote it up on his blog Amateur [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two days ago, we learned that a Rosetta Disk made its way into the Special Collections of the University of Colorado Boulder library, and was on public display there.  One of our members, Zane Selvans paid a visit, and had an extraordinary experience.  He took fantastic pictures and wrote it up on his blog <a href="http://amateurearthling.org/2011/03/04/human-language-in-the-palm-of-my-hand/#more-3011">Amateur Earthling</a> &#8211; we repost it here with his permission.  It is a great illustration of the challenge in keeping information alive over time, place, and people.</p>
<p><strong>Human Language in the Palm of my Hand</strong></p>
<p><em>by Zane Selvans</em><strong><br />
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<p>One of the <a title="The Rosetta Project" href="http://rosettaproject.org/">Rosetta discs</a> was recently <a title="A Rosetta Disk is on public display in the University of Colorado Boulder Libraries Special Collection" href="../2011/03/02/a-rosetta-disk-is-on-public-display-in-the-university-of-colorado-boulder-libraries-special-collection/">bequeathed to the University of Colorado</a> libraries, and the <a title="Long Now" href="http://www.longnow.org/">Long Now</a> put out a request for pictures of it in its new home.  I eagerly  responded by heading to the special collections in Norlin yesterday.  It  didn’t seem to be on display anywhere, so when the librarian made eye  contact, I said I was here to see the Rosetta disc, and she sent someone  off to get it.  And they took it out of its Pelican case, and set it on  the table in front of me (after I’d filled out a reader card and agreed  only to take notes in pencil… or by digital means — no pens are allowed  near the old books)  At first I was hesitant to touch it, and asked if  it was okay, and she said “Oh it doesn’t look like the kind of thing  that requires any special handling.”  So I picked it up.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/zaneselvans/5495905417/in/set-72157626192697098/"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-4210" title="Humanity's Languages in the Palm of my Hand" src="http://blog.longnow.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/5495905417_1fa1b3eb7d1.jpg" alt="" width="500" height="500" /></a></p>
<p>I was amazed at the weight of the thing.  The tungsten hemisphere (I  think it’s tungsten anyway… but maybe I’m thinking of one of the clock  parts) [ed. note - it is actually stainless steel]  is much denser than most everyday objects.  That, plus the  iridescent sheet of the etched words and the distortion of the lens  makes it into a strange kind of artifact.  It’s obviously a weird  thing.  I couldn’t help but think of <a title="Into Eternity by Michael Madsen" href="http://amateurearthling.org/2011/02/07/into-eternity-by-michael-madsen/">Michael Madsen’s Into Eternity</a>, and the difficulty of attempting to ensure that we communicate <em>anything</em> tens of thousands of years into the future.  His one way conversation  with those who inherit our histories.  These spheres are beautiful art  and elegant thought experiments today, but holding one made me envision  the world in which they were actually <em>needed</em>, where they’ve been used for their intended purpose.  Far seeing, informational time machines.  Linguistic <a title="Palantír | Wikipedia" href="https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Palantir">Palantír</a>.  It’s both horrifying and hopeful to think about what could come to pass in our deep futures.</p>
<p>If this thing has been used, then darkness fell one day.</p>
<p>If this thing has been used, then someone made it through, and they want to know again.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/zaneselvans/5496497090/in/set-72157626192697098/"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-4211" title="Linguistic Palantir" src="http://blog.longnow.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/5496497090_1edc01cb98.jpg" alt="" width="500" height="500" /></a></p>
<p>I couldn’t help myself.  I had to open it up.  Gingerly.  It’s a hard  thing to handle, so smooth and round and heavy enough that it’s  challenging to control it with one hand.  The lockring tinkled down and  the librarian looked over a little surprised.  “Oh, I didn’t know you  could open it.”</p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/zaneselvans/5496496470/in/set-72157626192697098/"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-4212" title="5496496470_886cbc9976" src="http://blog.longnow.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/5496496470_886cbc9976.jpg" alt="" width="500" height="500" /></a></p>
<p><a href="http://blog.longnow.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/5496496842_ca865a8166.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-4213" title="5496496842_ca865a8166" src="http://blog.longnow.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/5496496842_ca865a8166.jpg" alt="" width="500" height="500" /></a></p>
<p>Have you looked at it.  Do you know what it is?  Something to do with languages.  Mmm.  Yes.</p>
<p>With only a single change of custody, all information about the thing  had already apparently been lost.  They said that when it was checked  in to the collections, it hadn’t come with any accompanying  documentation.  Just a strange heavy sphere in a padded box.  The box  was labeled, saying who it had come from, and naming it a Rosetta disc,  but that was about it.  It’s supposed to be usable even without any  documentation — that’s kind of the point — but it certainly does  highlight the fragility of information.  I tweeted to the Long Now  afterward, and they’ve sent “Care and Feeding” documentation to the  curator.  Somehow it feels good to have participated, even peripherally,  in the smuggling of this information into the future.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/zaneselvans/5496494584/in/set-72157626192697098/"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-4215" title="Polyglot Mugshot" src="http://blog.longnow.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/5496494584_c5b78f58af.jpg" alt="" width="500" height="500" /></a></p>
<p><a href="http://blog.longnow.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/5496497894_d55208fa87.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-4216" title="5496497894_d55208fa87" src="http://blog.longnow.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/5496497894_d55208fa87.jpg" alt="" width="500" height="500" /></a></p>
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		<title>The Data Deluge</title>
		<link>http://blog.longnow.org/2011/02/28/the-data-deluge/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Feb 2011 19:00:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Alex Mensing</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[On February 11 Science magazine published a special issue dedicated to the challenges that research communities face as they produce increasing quantities and types of data. One of the articles tells the story of particle physicist Siegfried Bethke, who wanted to reanalyze the data from an experiment conducted twenty years earlier. He discovered that no [...]]]></description>
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<div id="attachment_4095" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 410px"><a href="http://blog.longnow.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/data_image.gif"><img class="size-full wp-image-4095 " src="http://blog.longnow.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/data_image.gif" alt="" width="400" height="397" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">The figure shows the projected increase in global climate data holdings for climate models, remotely sensed data, and in situ.</p></div></blockquote>
<p>On February 11 <em>Science</em> magazine published a <a href="http://www.sciencemag.org/content/331/6018.toc#SpecialIssue">special issue</a> dedicated to the challenges that research communities face as they produce increasing quantities and types of data. <a href="http://www.sciencemag.org/content/331/6018/694.full">One of the articles</a> tells the story of particle physicist Siegfried Bethke, who wanted to reanalyze the data from an experiment conducted twenty years earlier. He discovered that no organized effort had been made to preserve the data, and it took him, his secretary and a graduate student two years to find it all and rewrite the now-obsolete code necessary to read it.</p>
<blockquote><p><em>“The  problem starts when the experiment is over, and the data used by one  group of people is only understood by those people,” [Cristinel] Diaconu says. “When  they go off and do other things, the data is orphaned; it has no  parents anymore.” The orphan metaphor only goes so far: After a certain  point, orphaned data can&#8217;t be adopted by later researchers who weren&#8217;t  part of the original team. Even given the raw data, only someone  intimately involved in the original experiment can make sense of it.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>A particle physics <a href="http://dphep.org/">study group</a> has recommended that every large experiment hire a &#8216;data archivist,&#8217; a sort of Receiver of Memory who would be responsible for making sure that data remains intelligible and accessible long after &#8216;the end&#8217; of a project.</p>
<blockquote><p><em>A  data archivist would be a mix of librarian, IT expert, and physicist,  with the computing skills to keep porting data to new formats but savvy  enough about the physics to be able to crosscheck old results on new  computer systems.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>As indicated by another article in the special issue, &#8220;<a href="http://www.sciencemag.org/content/331/6018/700.full">Climate Data Challenges in the 21st Century</a>,&#8221; scientists not only need to make their data accessible to colleagues and to researchers of the future, but also to non-researchers of the present. As managers and policy-makers move to address time-sensitive issues such as climate change, the long-term soundness of their decisions will depend at least partly on the information available to them.</p>
<blockquote><p><em>Increased  support from the funding agencies is needed to enhance data access,  manipulation, and modeling tools; improve climate system understanding;  articulate model limitations; and ensure that the observations necessary  to underpin it all are made. Otherwise, climate science will suffer,  and the climate information needed by society—climate assessment,  services, and adaptation capability—will not only fall short of its  potential to reduce the vulnerability of human and natural systems to  climate variability and change, but will also cause society to miss out  on opportunities that will inevitably arise in the face of changing  conditions.</em></p></blockquote>
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		<title>Personal Digital Archiving Conference</title>
		<link>http://blog.longnow.org/2011/02/18/personal-digital-archiving-conference/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2011 20:33:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Heather Louise Mae Bowden</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you plan to be in San Francisco next week, there is still time to register for the Personal Digital Archiving Conference. The conference is being held at the Internet Archive on February 24 &#38; 25, 2011. The event blurb says it all: From family photographs and personal papers to health and financial information, vital personal [...]]]></description>
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<p>If you plan to be in San Francisco next week, there is still time to register for the Personal Digital Archiving Conference. The conference is being held at the Internet Archive on February 24 &amp; 25, 2011. The event blurb says it all:</p>
<blockquote><p>From family photographs and personal papers to health and financial information, vital personal records are becoming digital. Creation and capture of new digital information has become a part of the daily routine for hundreds of millions of people. But what are the long-term prospects for this data? The combination of new capture devices (more than 1 billion camera phones will be sold in 2010) with the move from older forms of media is reshaping both our personal and collective memories. The size and complexity of personal collections growing, these collections are spread across different media (including film and paper!), and the lines between personal and professional, published and unpublished are being redrawn.</p>
<p>For individuals, institutions, investors, entrepreneurs, and funding agencies thinking about how best to address these issues, Personal Digital Archiving 2011 will include a variety of examples that may be replicated, and will clarify the technical, social, economic questions around personal archiving.</p></blockquote>
<p>Long Now&#8217;s Laura Welcher will be presenting &#8220;An Archive Model with Long Term Benefits&#8221; Thursday evening.</p>
<p>Check out the full, provisional schedule <a href="http://www.personalarchiving.com/2011-schedule/">HERE</a>. As you will see from this line-up, this is a wonderful opportunity to see and talk to the leading researchers in this area.</p>
<p>You can register <a href="http://pda2011.eventbrite.com/">HERE</a>. [Deadline: February 24]</p>
<p>Travel and location  information is on the conference <a href="http://www.personalarchiving.com/">website</a>.</p>
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		<title>Library of Alexandria saved by the youth of Egypt</title>
		<link>http://blog.longnow.org/2011/02/17/library-of-alexandria-saved-by-the-youth-of-egypt/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Feb 2011 18:41:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Alexander Rose - Twitter: @zander</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#8220;The library is safe thanks to Egypt’s youth&#8221; The famous burning of the Library of Alexandria is still considered to be one the greatest losses of ancient culture.  History tells us it was actually several events that eventually destroyed the library. Events similar to the ones we have witnessed over the last few weeks in [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>&#8220;The library is safe thanks to Egypt’s youth&#8221;</strong></p>
<p><img title="Library" src="http://img-ak.verticalresponse.com/media/8/f/1/8f161b4c56/7e242ce2d6/c045f52edb/library/Library.JPG?__nocache__=1" border="0" alt="Library" hspace="7" vspace="5" width="300" height="225" align="right" /></p>
<p>The famous burning of the Library of Alexandria is still considered to be one the greatest losses of ancient culture.  History tells us it was actually several events that eventually destroyed the library. Events similar to the ones we have witnessed over the last few weeks in Egypt. Recent losses at national libraries and museums in Serbia, Iraq, and now Cairo show that in times of upheaval, there is a strong desire to erase the past, and that past often resides in libraries.  One of Long Now&#8217;s board members is Mike Keller the head of Stanford libraries who has close ties with the modern Library at Alexanderia.  We have all been waiting to hear how the library fared in the revolution, see the encouraging report below:</p>
<blockquote><p>Stanford Libraries have a close collegial  relationship with the new Library of Alexandria, known as the  Bibliotheca Alexandrina, or BA. We have been anxiously watching the news  of turmoil in Egypt with a particular concern about that inspiring <a href="http://cts.vresp.com/c/?StanfordUniversity/7e242ce2d6/bf18aa5ac0/2be1c4355a"><strong>institution</strong></a> (to say nothing of other cultural repositories, some of which were  damaged in recent weeks). I am truly delighted and relieved to report  that the BA is intact as of this writing. Indeed, some 50 volunteers  formed a human cordon to protect and support it during mass  demonstrations in its vicinity on the Corniche of that historic city.  Even when all of Egypt was reportedly cut off from the Internet, the BA  retained connectivity through its own international network, and its  director, Dr. Ismail Seregeldin, was able to post several assuring <a href="http://cts.vresp.com/c/?StanfordUniversity/7e242ce2d6/bf18aa5ac0/79343e3ba2"><strong>messages</strong></a> to the BA&#8217;s friends around the world, complete with <a href="http://cts.vresp.com/c/?StanfordUniversity/7e242ce2d6/bf18aa5ac0/0648a94551/ID=54&amp;Name=Opponents%20and%20supporters%20join%20hands%20in%20protecting%20the%20library"><strong>photographs</strong></a> and video showing how Alexandrians rallied to protect it. Concurrently,  several of us at Stanford were exchanging messages with our friends  there, which provided solace all around.<br />
None of this predicts how the BA will fare hereafter. During the  turmoil on the streets, one of the BA&#8217;s senior staff closed a message to  me as follows: &#8220;Pray for us.&#8221; That may still be about all we can do. As  momentous events unfold in a post-Mubarak Egypt, we will look for more  tangible ways to express our support and solidarity.</p>
<p>As a parting thought: as implausible as mass insurrection seems  here, if something somehow comparable were to happen, would we put  ourselves on the line to protect our libraries as did the citizens of  Alexandria?</p>
<p>Bravi!</p>
<p>Andrew Herkovic</p></blockquote>
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		<title>Revolution: The First 2,000 Years of Computing</title>
		<link>http://blog.longnow.org/2011/01/17/revolution-the-first-2000-years-of-computing/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jan 2011 16:32:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Austin Brown</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Computer History Museum&#8217;s newly re-designed main exhibition, Revolution: The First 2,000 Years of Computing, is now open to the public. Starting with the abacus and ending with social networking, the exhibit traces our ongoing attempts to mechanically and digitally keep track of our world. In between the two is a history marked by exponential [...]]]></description>
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<p>The <a href="http://www.computerhistory.org/" target="_blank">Computer History Museum&#8217;s</a> newly re-designed main exhibition, <em>Revolution: The First 2,000 Years of Computing</em>, is now open to the public. Starting with the abacus and ending with social  networking, the exhibit traces our ongoing attempts to mechanically and  digitally keep track of our world. In  between the two is a history marked by exponential  increases in power, performance and ubiquity. Being the  largest collection of computers and computer ephemera in the world, that  history is documented in extensive, stunning detail in this exhibition with lots of new supporting materials and documentation to tell the story.</p>
<p><em>Revolution</em> is laid out in a wandering pathway that encourages you to follow along more or less chronologically, but with enough branching and looping back to make you feel like you&#8217;re choosing your own adventure and not just moving through a series of individual rooms. During the course of walking through the collection, the space expands along with the growth in applications so that census-tabulators and payroll-calculators dominate the first few areas, giving way to appliance-like mainframes, rocket guidance systems, early storage and software until it explodes into the modern diaspora of music, art, movies, games, robots and artificial intelligence, smartphones and laptops, the web, and social networking. All along the way are original artifacts, recreations, video interviews and documentary clips providing a rich, informed, multimedia story of creative and obsessive geeks&#8217; toys and the myriad ways they&#8217;ve changed the world.</p>
<p>The Museum is normally closed on Mondays, but for the Martin Luther King Jr. Day Holiday, they&#8217;re <a href="http://www.computerhistory.org/hours/" target="_blank">open from 10am to 5pm</a>.</p>
<p>The slide-show below includes some shots from a visit earlier this week. Don&#8217;t miss Long Now co-founder <a href="http://longnow.org/people/board/danny0/" target="_blank">Danny Hillis</a> and his <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connection_Machine" target="_blank">Connection Machine</a>.</p>
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		<title>Presentism in Google Books</title>
		<link>http://blog.longnow.org/2011/01/04/presentism-in-google-books/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jan 2011 21:26:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Austin Brown</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Google’s new Ngram Viewer is a graphical interface for looking at the frequency of words over time in the several million books scanned into their database.  As a publicly mine-able data set, it’s huge and ripe for exploration with 500 years’ worth of published books spanning several languages.  And while it may seem a simple [...]]]></description>
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<p>Google’s  new <a href="http://ngrams.googlelabs.com/" target="_blank">Ngram Viewer</a> is a graphical interface for looking at the frequency  of words over time in the several million books scanned into their  database.  As a publicly mine-able data set, it’s huge and ripe for  exploration with 500 years’ worth of published books spanning several  languages.  And while it may seem a simple ‘just so’ kind of information  to be able to call up how often a word was used in a particular year,  the lives of words can often illuminate historical and cultural trends  in surprising ways.</p>
<p>A  paper published by researchers who helped develop the project (and <a href="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2010/12/16/the-cultural-genome-google-books-reveals-traces-of-fame-censorship-and-changing-languages/" target="_blank">summarized by Discover</a>) rounded  up a few interesting findings.  One delectably recursive tidbit they  mentioned was that a search for years (ie. 1865, 1990) can show the  historical efforts focused on particular eras and the extent to which  those years remain part of present day discussion.</p>
<p>They  found a general trend each individual year follows: a spike just before  the year followed by a downward trending long tail as it recedes into  history.  They also, however, noticed a trend amongst that pattern:  higher peaks with shorter tails.</p>
<blockquote><p>When  the team looked at the frequency of individual years, they found a  consistent pattern. In their own words: “’1951’ was rarely discussed  until the years immediately preceding 1951. Its frequency soared in  1951, remained high for three years, and then underwent a rapid decay,  dropping by half over the next fifteen years.” But the shape of these  graphs is changing. The peak gets higher with every year and we are  forgetting our past with greater speed. The half-life of ‘1880’ was 32  years, but that of ‘1973’ was a mere 10 years.</p></blockquote>
<p>So,  at a cultural level, we can see a developing ‘presentism’ in which the  year we’re currently inhabiting takes on great significance, but is more  quickly forgotten once it’s passed.</p>
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		<title>Where does the data go when the host dies?</title>
		<link>http://blog.longnow.org/2010/12/17/where-does-the-data-go-when-the-host-dies/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Heather Louise Mae Bowden</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[In the wake of the crumbling Yahoo! behemoth and the clamor of mass Delicious data dumps, it&#8217;s worthwhile to stop and ask ourselves just how &#8220;archived&#8221; is the data that we create and share in these free hosting sites? What kind of promises do these sites make to preserve our information and to care about [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://blog.longnow.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/yahoo_away.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-3820" title="yahoo_away" src="http://blog.longnow.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/yahoo_away.jpg" alt="yahoo is de-rezzing." width="460" height="287" /></a></p>
<p>In the wake of the crumbling Yahoo! behemoth and the clamor of mass Delicious data dumps, it&#8217;s worthwhile to stop and ask ourselves just how &#8220;archived&#8221; is the data that we create and share in these free hosting sites? What kind of promises do these sites make to preserve our information and to care about the hundreds of hours we spend uploading, tagging, and arranging it? In the case of Yahoo! and all of its affiliate sites, none whatsoever.</p>
<p>The funny thing is, <a href="http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Yahoo" target="_blank">we were warned</a> about this over two years ago. In January 2009, the <a href="http://archiveteam.org/" target="_blank">Archive Team</a> said in no uncertain terms, &#8220;Please do not use Yahoo or Yahoo-owned sites for any non-retrievable personal data.&#8221; You may have heard of the Archive Team when they made their herculean effort <a href="http://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=GeoCities" target="_blank">to download the Geocities sites</a> before Yahoo! closed them down in October of 2009. And it looks like the Archive Team is on the case again. According to their organizer, Jason Scott&#8217;s tweets yesterday, they are looking at ways to archive Delicious. Let&#8217;s hope they can.</p>
<p>In the meantime, read their article, &#8220;<a href="http://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Why_Back_Up%3F" target="_blank">Why Back Up?</a>&#8221;</p>
<p>And learn about <a href="http://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Who_We_Are" target="_blank">how you can help</a>.  The Archive Team have some excellent projects going to help mitigate some of the nastier effects of the Digital Dark Age, well worth taking a look at them&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Kevin Kelly and Steven Johnson</title>
		<link>http://blog.longnow.org/2010/11/22/kevin-kelly-and-steven-johnson/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Nov 2010 20:53:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Alexander Rose - Twitter: @zander</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is an event that we had hoped to host this fall but could not because of our very busy production schedule.  A conversation with (Long Now Seminar speaker) Steven Johnson and (Long Now board member and speaker) Kevin Kelly who both released complimentary books in October &#8211; Steven Johnson&#8217;s Where Good Ideas Come From, [...]]]></description>
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<p>This is an event that we had hoped to host this fall but could not because of our very busy production schedule.  A conversation with (<a href="http://longnow.org/seminars/02007/may/11/the-long-zoom/" target="_self">Long Now Seminar speaker</a>) Steven Johnson and (<a href="http://longnow.org/people/board/kk7/" target="_blank">Long Now board member</a> and <a href="http://longnow.org/seminars/02006/mar/10/long-term-trends-in-the-scientific-method/" target="_blank">speaker</a>) Kevin Kelly who both released complimentary books in October &#8211; Steven Johnson&#8217;s <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Where-Good-Ideas-Come-Innovation/dp/1594487715/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1290458685/thelongnowfounda" target="_blank">Where Good Ideas Come From</a>, and Kevin Kelly&#8217;s <a href="http://www.amazon.com/What-Technology-Wants-Kevin-Kelly/dp/0670022152/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1290458764/thelongnowfounda" target="_blank">What Technology Wants</a>.  Luckily this excellent event did in fact happen at the New York Public Library and was hosted by NPR&#8217;s Robert Krulwich, enjoy</p>
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